Value of: Depth defenceman to Edmonton

[Jerkob Slavin]

Oilers need a PP right hand shot dman. Why spend a few assets on a defenceman that doesn't directly resolve the Oilers need.

2019 2nd/ 2020 2nd/ Caggulia/ Kassian/ Slepyshev (take any three)

FOR

Faulk

Why does Carolina do this? Our prospect pool is deep (top 5 IMO). We don't really need bottom 6'ers or draft picks. We need upper tier forwards (especially centers) and NHL-ready goalies. If we cannot add to Faulk to get what we need, we'll keep Faulk until the TDL and see where we're at.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Faulk is not a top pairing guy. I think he is still a top 4 guy though.



How much to acquire him? Do the Oilers grab a him with Bear and Bouchard knocking on the door?

Good question. I honestly don’t know if something like Kassian+2nd gets it done. Caps fans weigh in? Any of Kass/Aberg/Caggiula and a pick is fine by us.

Hurricanes fans want RNH or Puljujarvi for Faulk which is flat out not happening.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Please, I beg of you all, Faulk to EDM has been beaten to death 100 times. Let's keep this to the OP's request.

 

[TFHockey]

Good question. I honestly don’t know if something like Kassian+2nd gets it done. Caps fans weigh in? Any of Kass/Aberg/Caggiula and a pick is fine by us.

Hurricanes fans want RNH or Puljujarvi for Faulk which is flat out not happening.

This is an overpayment. Oilers shouldn't be getting fleeced for d-men anymore.

Don't know if that trade is appetizing for the caps.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't understand, why do we need depth D? We don't, we need a #4. We've got enough depth guys, the big issue is that Benning is not a #4.

What piece are you willing to move to get that top 4D then? I think the idea here is to improve the overall depth without giving up major assets?

 

[McOvechking]

No surprise this got derailed by Faulk talk, but in keeping with the Hurricanes theme, what is the availability and NHL readiness of a guy like Roland McKeown?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

What piece are you willing to move to get that top 4D then? I think the idea here is to improve the overall depth without giving up major assets?

Ding ding ding.

It’s also to stop us rushing Bear/Bouchard.

 

[izlez]

Seems like opinions vary on him both around the red wings and around the league, but there is talk that the Red Wings are looking to trade Nick Jensen.

We'd be looking for a mid-late round draft pick in return rather than players if you're interested as we're trying to clear some logjams our self

 

[Stuzchuk]

look a Ottawa's lineup and pick any DMeen that you want not name Chabot or Ceci... we have to ice a top pairing line apparently

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

No surprise this got derailed by Faulk talk, but in keeping with the Hurricanes theme, what is the availability and NHL readiness of a guy like Roland McKeown?

In terms of availability, right now here's what the Canes have:

RHD: Hamilton, Faulk, Pesce, and TVR at the NHL level. McKeown, Fox, Luke Martin (probably furthest away)
LHD: Slavin, de Hann, Fleury at the NHL level. Bean, Carrick

I believe the team will trade Faulk at some point in the next 12 months, but that still leaves Hamilton, Pesce, and TVR at the NHL level along with Fox (if he signs) and McKeown. Therefore, I think McKeown would probably be available, BUT, because he is still waiver exempt, the Canes likely aren't looking to move him for the sake of moving him.

In terms of NHL readiness, hard to say. He looked good last year in his stint in the NHL. Solid but unspectacular. Kind of reminds me of a poor mans Paul Martin in that he does a lot of things well, but really isn't spectacular (or terrible) at anything either. If the Canes didn't have the depth they have and had to use him as a #6/7 this year, I wouldn't mind it at all. That said, sample size is small and for a guy that is "solid but unspectacular", it's sometimes hard to gauge how NHL ready he is on a small sample.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Bowey would be a nice add. It’s a bit weird to say but hes almost TOO long term a solution with Bear and Bouchard in the pipeline - but I guess once one of Bowey/Bear/Bouchard surpassed Benning we wouldn’t have too many problems moving a young RHD. What would you be after?

As far as RW goes I think we’re content to stand pat right now. Rattie’s leading the preseason in scoring with 2 games played, Puljujarvi’s been really good, and Yamamoto is making it really difficult to send him down.

I don’t know much about Safin or Marody.

 

[Liferleafer]

Guys...seriously, Carrick....Marincin...just for a dozen donuts....they can be those shitty plain ones....and stale.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Lost me with "Alex Chiasson has brought physicality and energy and has also looked good". I think that more likely speaks to the quality of wingers in EDM than Alex Chiasson transitioning into a useful player. Maybe I am wrong.

Probably speaks to the fact that he is on a PTO and is trying to earn a job in the NHL. Even lazy players can bring it for a few weeks to get a contract.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers need a PP right hand shot dman. Why spend a few assets on a defenceman that doesn't directly resolve the Oilers need.

2019 2nd/ 2020 2nd/ Caggulia/ Kassian/ Slepyshev (take any three)

FOR

Faulk

Well, probably because Carolina wants more than that for Faulk, and Edmonton is actually looking more and more like they are keeping Bouchard up, as in many ways he is NHL ready. He just lacks experience sadly. He's the type of guy who would really benefit from playing in the AHL I think, but he has to either make the big club or go to junior. But hey, if Carolina is fine with taking a couple of 2nds and Cagguila (Slepyshev is in the KHL and has no value but I'd give his rights up too), then by all means, do it.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse - Faulk
Russell - Benning

Bear is in the AHL to start until we need him. Bouchard back to junior.

 

[McOvechking]

In terms of availability, right now here's what the Canes have:

RHD: Hamilton, Faulk, Pesce, and TVR at the NHL level. McKeown, Fox, Luke Martin (probably furthest away)
LHD: Slavin, de Hann, Fleury at the NHL level. Bean, Carrick

I believe the team will trade Faulk at some point in the next 12 months, but that still leaves Hamilton, Pesce, and TVR at the NHL level along with Fox (if he signs) and McKeown. Therefore, I think McKeown would probably be available, BUT, because he is still waiver exempt, the Canes likely aren't looking to move him for the sake of moving him.

In terms of NHL readiness, hard to say. He looked good last year in his stint in the NHL. Solid but unspectacular. Kind of reminds me of a poor mans Paul Martin in that he does a lot of things well, but really isn't spectacular (or terrible) at anything either. If the Canes didn't have the depth they have and had to use him as a #6/7 this year, I wouldn't mind it at all. That said, sample size is small and for a guy that is "solid but unspectacular", it's sometimes hard to gauge how NHL ready he is on a small sample.

That's a fantastic reply, thank you. I haven't really followed him since he was drafted, and remember him being touted as having a fairly high ceiling. Sounds like he might not be much of a step up over someone like Bear, but I'd probably deal a guy like Caggiula for him if Carolina was interested.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's a fantastic reply, thank you. I haven't really followed him since he was drafted, and remember him being touted as having a fairly high ceiling. Sounds like he might not be much of a step up over someone like Bear, but I'd probably deal a guy like Caggiula for him if Carolina was interested.

I could be wrong, but I really can't see the Canes having any interest in Caggiula. While not all proven, wingers aren't going to be a problem in Carolina.

Right now, Canes have Teravainen, Williams, Svechnikov, Zykov, McGinn, Ferland, Foegele, Kuokkanen, and "maybe" Aho vying for 6 (top 3 lines) winger spots, so already one or two of them will not have a spot. If a guy isn't a clear upgrade, I don't see them having an interest. They've even got a crowded 4th line with Martinook, Di Guisseppe and whichever wingers above that don't make the top 3 lines.

 

[McOvechking]

I could be wrong, but I really can't see the Canes having any interest in Caggiula. While not all proven, wingers aren't going to be a problem in Carolina.

Right now, Canes have Teravainen, Williams, Svechnikov, Zykov, McGinn, Ferland, Foegele, Kuokkanen, and "maybe" Aho vying for 6 (top 3 lines) winger spots, so already one or two of them will not have a spot. If a guy isn't a clear upgrade, I don't see them having an interest. They've even got a crowded 4th line with Martinook, Di Guisseppe and whichever wingers above that don't make the top 3 lines.

Stocked on offense and defense, tough life as a Canes fan ;-)

In all seriousness, what do you view as the biggest deficit in the Hurricanes organization?

 

[ManofSteel55]

I could be wrong, but I really can't see the Canes having any interest in Caggiula. While not all proven, wingers aren't going to be a problem in Carolina.

Right now, Canes have Teravainen, Williams, Svechnikov, Zykov, McGinn, Ferland, Foegele, Kuokkanen, and "maybe" Aho vying for 6 (top 3 lines) winger spots, so already one or two of them will not have a spot. If a guy isn't a clear upgrade, I don't see them having an interest. They've even got a crowded 4th line with Martinook, Di Guisseppe and whichever wingers above that don't make the top 3 lines.

Cagguila can play centre as well if needed. Just needs to work on his faceoffs, but lots of young players have that problem. Could be a good project, should Canes management feel like taking a chance on him. I get it completely if they want a more proven player for Faulk though.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Stocked on offense and defense, tough life as a Canes fan ;-)

In all seriousness, what do you view as the biggest deficit in the Hurricanes organization?

1) Center - our only center with NHL experience right now is Jordan Staal. Rask went down with injury and won't be back for months. Aho is being tried at C, but hasn't played C in ages other than some international competition. Necas is a rookie.

2) Goalie: Mrazek and Darling. Enough said.

Don't get me wrong, we aren't that talented at forward and we could always use more talent on the wing, just that it would have to be a player that is better than what we have. Caggiula doesn't fit that mold.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Cagguila can play centre as well if needed. Just needs to work on his faceoffs, but lots of young players have that problem. Could be a good project, should Canes management feel like taking a chance on him. I get it completely if they want a more proven player for Faulk though.

Faulk? We were discussing McKeown, not Faulk. As I said, I could be wrong, but I don't think the Canes would have much, if any, interest in Caggiula regardless.

 

[TFHockey]

Well, probably because Carolina wants more than that for Faulk, and Edmonton is actually looking more and more like they are keeping Bouchard up, as in many ways he is NHL ready. He just lacks experience sadly. He's the type of guy who would really benefit from playing in the AHL I think, but he has to either make the big club or go to junior. But hey, if Carolina is fine with taking a couple of 2nds and Cagguila (Slepyshev is in the KHL and has no value but I'd give his rights up too), then by all means, do it.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse - Faulk
Russell - Benning

Bear is in the AHL to start until we need him. Bouchard back to junior.

That is exactly right. He'll learn nothing in junior but he might not be polished enough for a regular NHL gig. He'd definitely benefit from some AHL experience IMHO.

Word out of camp though is that Bouchard moves the puck like nobody else on the blueline.

 

[TFHockey]

1) Center - our only center with NHL experience right now is Jordan Staal. Rask went down with injury and won't be back for months. Aho is being tried at C, but hasn't played C in ages other than some international competition. Necas is a rookie.

2) Goalie: Mrazek and Darling. Enough said.

Don't get me wrong, we aren't that talented at forward and we could always use more talent on the wing, just that it would have to be a player that is better than what we have. Caggiula doesn't fit that mold.

So, are you looking for someone like Strome? He could be moved but I don't like the options we have at 3C afterwards.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Good question. I honestly don’t know if something like Kassian+2nd gets it done. Caps fans weigh in? Any of Kass/Aberg/Caggiula and a pick is fine by us.

Hurricanes fans want RNH or Puljujarvi for Faulk which is flat out not happening.

Would want a C prospect and that 2nd. If you need to throw salary in, that’s fine, long as it’s not long term (Aberg?).

What about Safin or Marody?

 

[ManofSteel55]

Faulk? We were discussing McKeown, not Faulk. As I said, I could be wrong, but I don't think the Canes would have much, if any, interest in Caggiula regardless.

Sorry, was going off of another poster's earlier comments that we should go after Faulk. Obviously Cagguila wouldn't be the centrepiece of that deal even if there was a Faulk deal to be made.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So, are you looking for someone like Strome? He could be moved but I don't like the options we have at 3C afterwards.

It's why I don't think, contrary to popular HF belief, the Canes and Oilers make great trade partners. You guys have lost a lot of depth at the forward ranks over the past few years and have gained depth defensively in your system.