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But aren't Karmanos and JR besties?
He is a minority owner now but still a love like that never dies.
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But aren't Karmanos and JR besties?
He is a minority owner now but still a love like that never dies.
Since I have posted my belief Kessel will be traded after this year due to his salary at 5.1 million for three years is a attractive number. Pens can use that cap space assuming they get picks/ prospects back. That is the way to go as Rust, Hornqvist and Sprong can be top 9 RW's. Next year GMJR has to consider he has to rebuild the roster for the final years of the Crosby/Malkin era.
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Sprong and Rust fill the 2nd and 3rd line roles until Hornqvist gets old and swap up. It’s pretty simple. Hopefully, Guentzel - Crosby - Sprong clicks and Hagelin and Hornqvist are with Brassard on the third line.
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Karlsson helps this team more than a Max Pacioretty, or Skinner or any forward for that matter. The Pens depth on D is still lacking, and when Karlsson is on the ice he is essentially a 4th forward since he can carry the play all on his own from the defensive zone into the offensive zone. His offense will outweigh any defensive misgivings. The Shutdown pair becomes Dumoulin/Letang, and Letang can now stop forcing things and play a safer game being the #1B D-man.
I just don't want them to have to work harder to get where they want to go, I want the other team to have to work harder to try and keep up, wave after wave, 2016 style.
[Insert team]: "What the heck do we do, they just keep coming...!"
Yeah..... I like that.
Make it happen, JR.
I just don't want them to have to work harder to get where they want to go, I want the other team to have to work harder to try and keep up, wave after wave, 2016 style.
[Insert team]: "What the heck do we do, they just keep coming...!"
Yeah..... I like that.
Make it happen, JR.
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Boy seeing over on the main board how cocky the TB fans were getting makes it funny that the "sure thing" fell apart and now multiple teams are in on him.
Correct, especially since they already reportedly rejected an offer that included Brassard plus something else that was deemed an overpayment by both Jesse and Mike....I can’t imagine CAR getting a better offer from the Pens, so unless they change their mind, I wouldn’t expect Skinner in a Pens jersey this year....
Over the last three years Skinner has 163 points. 31 of those came on the power play. Comes out to less than 20% of his production.
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Brassard would need replaced by a 3C and 3m is quite cheap for a 3C not on an ELC. And we need to pay Guentzel.
Schultz needs to be replaced by a top 4 capable RH D (price... probably quite large) and we also need to replace Murray.
I'm not saying it can't be done but I think you're looking at the wrong places and therefore maybe underestimating what it would cost. My guess is it would cost you Rust for picks while being replaced by a bottom of the barrel cost 4RW (maybe 4C falls to the same cost too).
True dat. BUT -
Given that NMC and his expiring contract status, at some point they have to change their mind unless the market unexpectedly meets them. And I think it would be unexpected at this point.
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That's placing a lot of faith in two guys who haven't proven to be top six scorers yet at the NHL level.
I like both guys, but I'm not ready to believe that Sprong and Rust can combine for enough offense on that right side to offset letting Kessel go.
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The problem with trading Kessel is the power play runs through him. 100% through him.
I don't want Crosby running the PP. I like him down low and behind the net/along the boards winning puck battles and causing matchup issues. I like Malkin open for the one timer and being playmaker option 2. I like Horny causing havoc in front of the net. I want Letang no where near the PP and prefer Schultz as the PP defenseman but he's not the QB, Kessel is...
Not saying our PP would suck without Kessel but having him creates a lot of problems for the other team especially if we're all healthy. When Hornqvist went down we were kinda f***ed a bit there.
I don't want Crosby running the PP. I like him down low and behind the net/along the boards winning puck battles and causing matchup issues. I like Malkin open for the one timer and being playmaker option 2. I like Horny causing havoc in front of the net. I want Letang no where near the PP and prefer Schultz as the PP defenseman but he's not the QB, Kessel is...
Not saying our PP would suck without Kessel but having him creates a lot of problems for the other team especially if we're all healthy. When Hornqvist went down we were kinda f***ed a bit there.
Gurglesons
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Kessel biggest fault this post season was his absolute pathetic performance on the powerplay. I also do not agree that our powerplay runs through Kessel at all.
Not only that, but if you send out Hagelin in a deal for a wing like Skinner ... you've got some new problems. Not saying I wouldn't do it (not really a huge fan of Skinner), but there is no one to take over his role.
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Well, like I said we bring in a top four D or LW and I think a combination of Brassard, Rust, and that player can.
If we wait to move Kessel than you know what we have Sprong and adjust accordingly.
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I’m not saying I single handedly destroyed the Tampa deal, but I am saying I sent a shit load of good vibes into the ether and now there’s a mystery team in play. Now, before anybody is all like “but the mystery team isn’t the Penguins..” shhhhhhhttheefffuuuuup
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I think it’s unlikely CAR trades Faulk or Skinner at this point this summer, and Skinner more unlikely than Faulk, because either
1) they are asking way too much in return and quite obviously haven’t bitten at any offers pre or post draft, or 2) they don’t want to trade in the division and the known serious offers have come from the Pens and the Isles (for Faulk)....could be both...either way I don’t see the Pens landing him unless CAR changes their expectations....they already know about his trade list teams, and maybe somebody else there reaches out with an offer that they like but it really seems unlikely at this point with FA mostly over and teams know what their roster looks like...maybe Skinner’s contract demands are too high...I could see CAR possibly revisiting these teams around the TDL to see if someone gets desperate for scoring help, but they’ll likely only get draft picks back....more likely he just stays there until he’s a FA....
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I don't care what Sully said, Kessel looked injured AF to me. He didn't look the same.
Who does it run through then? Who has the puck most of the time?
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Eh, it would have to be a top pairing D, not just a top four D, for me to think about moving Kessel. And the winger would have to be of the Pacioretty/Skinner level.
Our wingers minus Kessel and last season's goals/point totals:
Guentzel - 22/48
Hornqvist - 29/49
Rust - 13/38
Hagelin - 10/31
Sprong - 2/3
Simon - 4/12
Cullen - 11/22
ZAR - 4/6
Apart from Jake/Horny, that a whole lot of question marks and bottom six production to count on to pick up the slack for Kessel's departure.
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