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[WayneSid9987]

Depends where Karlsson wants to go. If he says he is not signing an extension, teams are not going to pony up.

Think every team thats "talks are heating up" so far, he'd sign an extension for(LV, DAL, TBL).
LV doesn't wanna give up Theodore and/or Glass. DAL doesn't wanna give up Heiskanen.
Tampa's problem would be somewhat similar to PIT(needs a 3rd party) except exchange Tampa having the young D to trade but doesn't have the 2019-1st(technically. if they win the Cup, it's the Rangers pick).
PIT has the 1st or 1st(s), doesn't have the young top tier D-Man that has no say where he goes.

Bottom line is i believe a package starts with a 2019-1st and a top tier cost controlled D prospect/young player.

 

[Turin]

Dallas doesn’t want to give up Heiskanen and Tampa doesn’t want to give up Sergachev apparently. Offers are beatable as it stands.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Dallas doesn’t want to give up Heiskanen and Tampa doesn’t want to give up Sergachev apparently. Offers are beatable as it stands.

They are! Not by PIT tho...

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Dallas doesn’t want to give up Heiskanen and Tampa doesn’t want to give up Sergachev apparently. Offers are beatable as it stands.

Maatta for Karlsson. Get it done, JR.

 

[Turin]

They are! Not by PIT tho...

I think it is. As soon as those guys are available it’s not though.

 

[SEALBound]

I want Karlsson here for the PURE SAKE of watching HFB have a complete meltdown.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Think every team thats "talks are heating up" so far, he'd sign an extension for(LV, DAL, TBL).
LV doesn't wanna give up Theodore and/or Glass. DAL doesn't wanna give up Heiskanen.
Tampa's problem would be somewhat similar to PIT(needs a 3rd party) except exchange Tampa having the young D to trade but doesn't have the 2019-1st(technically. if they win the Cup, it's the Rangers pick).
PIT has the 1st or 1st(s), doesn't have the young top tier D-Man that has no say where he goes.

Bottom line is i believe a package starts with a 2019-1st and a top tier cost controlled D prospect/young player.

Can we trick Ottawa into thinking Olli Maatta is one?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I want Karlsson here for the PURE SAKE of watching HFB have a complete meltdown.

Yeah mostly this but otherwise I don't really care where he goes as long as it's not Dallas. LV or Tampa sure. But not Dallas. Their fans are idiots.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Can we trick Ottawa into thinking Olli Maatta is one?

Thats gonna be a nope.
OTT would probably take Olli over Schultz tho.
Dealing straight with PIT, i see it as:

1st
Olli
top young player or prospect(Sprong or Jake)
Then another salaried roster player to fit EK's 6.5.
And just that wouldn't interest OTT imo(would want more: another 1st or top prospect)

 

[Turin]

Thats gonna be a nope.
OTT would probably take Olli over Schultz tho.
Dealing straight with PIT, i see it as:

1st
Olli
top young player or prospect(Sprong or Jake)
Then another salaried roster player to fit EK's 6.5.
And just that wouldn't interest OTT imo(would want more: another 1st or top prospect)

If the Pens offered Guentzel, Maatta, another roster player, a 1st, and another 1st or top prospect Karlsson would be a Penguin... easily.

 

[WayneSid9987]

If the Pens offered Guentzel, Maatta, another roster player, a 1st, and another 1st or top prospect Karlsson would be a Penguin... easily.

Problem is JR's not gonna offer that much(and even then i still say OTT says no cuz they want a young top tier, cost controlled D or D prospect at minimum. Like a notch or 2 above Addison) cuz he's trying to win Cups right now. Like in this upcoming season. Therein lies the answer to your dreams.

 

[AverageJoeFan]

So, we are still discussing Pens and EK? I think I am over the idea TBH. Love the guy, but can't see it.

 

[Turin]

Problem is JR's not gonna offer that much(and even then i still say OTT says no cuz they want a young top tier, cost controlled D or D prospect at minimum. Like a notch or 2 above Addison) cuz he's trying to win Cups right now. Like in this upcoming season. Therein lies the answer to your dreams.

Regardless of what Ottawa wants specifically, there’s only a handful of teams that he wants to go to and a few of those teams are not willing to pony up that right now.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Regardless of what Ottawa wants specifically, there’s only a handful of teams that he wants to go to and a few of those teams are not willing to pony up that right now.

Oh so i get it now.
You think other teams won't "pony up" but JR will and OTT HAS to accept JR's offer.
Yea. not happenin'.

 

[Turin]

Oh so i get it now.
You think other teams won't "pony up" but JR will and OTT HAS to accept JR's offer.
Yea. not happenin'.

You don’t get it even a little. I’m saying other teams don’t want to give up what you think it will take, and neither would JR. Your whole point is that Ottawa would demand a player like Heiskanen and Sergachev and I’m telling you as of now those guys aren’t on the table and Karlsson has to be traded so it doesn’t matter what Ottawa wants.

 

[WayneSid9987]

You don’t get it even a little. I’m saying other teams don’t want to give up what you think it will take, and neither would JR. Your whole point is that Ottawa would demand a player like Heiskanen and Sergachev and I’m telling you as of now those guys aren’t on the table and Karlsson has to be traded so it doesn’t matter what Ottawa wants.

I get it fully.
I explained it in my post.
Just needed to add the caveat that you believe OTT has a gun thier heads and EK HAS to be traded right now.
If thats the case, and no one "ponies up", JR still finishes last to 2nd last.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

There would have been some kind of rumour that the Pens are pursuing EK. JR is very blunt about such things. There hasn't been, it's not happening.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

There would have been some kind of rumour that the Pens are pursuing EK. JR is very blunt about such things. There hasn't been, it's not happening.

Yeah, and there's zero chance that JR wouldn't be all over a Karlsson deal so my only take on that is that Karlsson has said he won't sign with Pittsburgh.

Either that or he's been busy working Bergevin as the third man in and didn't have time to approach Ottawa and Karlsson yet.

 

[Turin]

I get it fully.
I explained it in my post.
Just needed to add the caveat that you believe OTT has a gun thier heads and EK HAS to be traded right now.
If thats the case, and no one "ponies up", JR still finishes last to 2nd last.

The market gets even worse if he’s not traded right now, so yes he essentially does. So I am 100% right. Carry on.

 

[Ugene Magic]

but but but....Horny loses his composure and cant be trusted!!!

Is that Orpik drop kicking him after he scores?