darko
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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVIII: Draft day is a comin'
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Ail
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Okay and through 82 games Pitt was number two despite their mediocre start.
Whether or not the number one or two posession team won is mostly irrelevent. A top posession team won, again.
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And for every tank job like Pittsburgh and Chicago I'll give you Edmonton and Florida. Full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean success down the track.
HatTrick Swayze
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I mean yes 100% great teams posses the puck.
How do they possess the puck? The way Pittsburgh and LA maintain possession have substantial differences. Similarities to be sure as well.
How do they possess the puck? The way Pittsburgh and LA maintain possession have substantial differences. Similarities to be sure as well.
Mac n Gs
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I think another key component of both yours and silverfish's statements is how radically different that both of those teams are constructed, yet they still achieve similar results. We need to decide which type of team we want to be, and build into that mold. LA does is by a heavy, grinding style while being stifling through the neutral zone and being able to move the puck quickly out of danger in the defensive zone. Pittsburgh did it by being a speedy, forechecking demon that would burn you in transition, yet were also stifling through the neutral zone and could get pucks out of danger in the defensive zone. Isn't it weird how something seems to be in common between both of those teams that helps lead towards being a successful possession team?
You can keep saying this, but it doesn't make it any more true, but hey, you're free to believe whatever you'd like. Does this team need to take a step back to inject youth and skill into the roster, so that they can build an identity going forward? Yes. You still need good players around through a rebuild. Outside of the younger kids, Stepan, McDonagh and Zucc should be kept around to lead the new nucleus of talent. They're all on team friendly contracts, and they all produce. Unless you're literally blown away with a trade offer, they shouldn't be going anywhere.
Edge
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I think McD's is and has played liked a #1D.
What he hasn't done is take the next step to becoming more of an elite level defenseman.
McD seemed to be on the cusp of being a 15 goal, 55 point defenseman, with excellent shutdown capabilities. Unfortunately, the offense hasn't hit that level.
But I think there's a distinction between saying a guy isn't a number one defenseman and saying he isn't elite. They're not one and the same.
silverfish
got perma'd
Step 1: Don't have three guys chase the same non-dangerous attacker behind the net in our own zone; completely leaving a guy open with no one around him for days in the crease
Step 2: Stop blindly throwing the puck up the boards when you have time, relinquishing possession to the other team. Instead, pick your head up, and outlet to one of the forwards
That right there is a good start.
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In March 2004, the Rangers had a huge fire sale, dumping all the vets except Jagr, who had over a dozen years remaining in his career, several at least 100+ points. The Rangers acquired a ton of prospects and picks, and had a top-10 pick of their own.
They also had a much stronger prospect pool than now: Lundqvist was already showing signs of greatness in his SEL dominance, Jessiman was just drafted early, Tyutin was very highly regarded, even Dawes, Prucha, Baranka were well regarded.
With a torrent of picks and prospects, by 2005 the Rangers added Dubinsky, Callahan, Korpikoski up front, and Staal on defense.
Then the Rangers added their future captain and #1 defenseman for nothing, while their young goalie turned into a future Hall of Famer.
It still took the team 10 years to make the SCF, 8 years to make the ECF.
The Rangers got for nothing 2 guys (Lundqvist and McDonagh) who'd go in the top 5 if there was a redraft, had a bunch of extra picks, and it still took them forever to become contenders, never actually reaching the top. The idea that acquiring a couple of first round picks to replace the 4 we traded away will cause the Rangers to compete is nuts. We need to tank for a few years. Look at Chicago, Pittsburgh. It's the only way.
They also had a much stronger prospect pool than now: Lundqvist was already showing signs of greatness in his SEL dominance, Jessiman was just drafted early, Tyutin was very highly regarded, even Dawes, Prucha, Baranka were well regarded.
With a torrent of picks and prospects, by 2005 the Rangers added Dubinsky, Callahan, Korpikoski up front, and Staal on defense.
Then the Rangers added their future captain and #1 defenseman for nothing, while their young goalie turned into a future Hall of Famer.
It still took the team 10 years to make the SCF, 8 years to make the ECF.
The Rangers got for nothing 2 guys (Lundqvist and McDonagh) who'd go in the top 5 if there was a redraft, had a bunch of extra picks, and it still took them forever to become contenders, never actually reaching the top. The idea that acquiring a couple of first round picks to replace the 4 we traded away will cause the Rangers to compete is nuts. We need to tank for a few years. Look at Chicago, Pittsburgh. It's the only way.
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Again for every Chicago/Pittsburgh there's Florida and Edmonton.
When did Detroit tank?
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That's really be problem. Rangers have Stepan, who is a Toews-lite in my opinion...
It's the fact that McDonagh has been a shell of himself, and Girardi has been a complete anchor, and our best defenseman in Yandle couldn't buy more than 17 minutes a game when he should have been getting 25-30...
Mac n Gs
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I know this may be shocking, but don't you think that these factors are what resulted in their good possession numbers.
RangerBoy
Dolan sucks!!!
Ghost of jas
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LA had two top 5 picks, one of which was Thomas Hickey. Kopitar was taken 11th overall. Chicago did get Toews and Kane with top 5 picks, but their #1 D-man was a 2nd round pick. The D-man they took with a top 5 pick? Can Barker. The Caps have two top 5 picks and have yet to advance past the 2nd round.
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Speed kills. The Rangers had the blueprint a few years ago. Hey had to tweak it to try and get over the hump. It didn't work. Girardi, Staal, Moore, Nash all regressed. It's time to revamp the team. They have good pieces. Augment those pieces.
In the process of doing this they should secure some future pieces. It's not rocket science. Hopefully Gorton has the smarts to make the aggressive play now to set himself up long term.
In the process of doing this they should secure some future pieces. It's not rocket science. Hopefully Gorton has the smarts to make the aggressive play now to set himself up long term.
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HatTrick Swayze
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From 2005-2015.
Top 10 picks:
Tampa - 5
Pens - 3
Sharks - 3
Blues - 2
NYR - 1
Top 5 picks:
Tampa - 3
Pens - 2
Blues - 2
Sharks - 0
Rangers - 0
Top 10 picks:
Tampa - 5
Pens - 3
Sharks - 3
Blues - 2
NYR - 1
Top 5 picks:
Tampa - 3
Pens - 2
Blues - 2
Sharks - 0
Rangers - 0
RangerBoy
Dolan sucks!!!
To win a championship,you need your best players to step up their games. Many Rangers fans used to criticize Leetch and Richter before the Rangers won. Their playoff performances were spotty. If the Rangers were going to win,they needed both of them at the very top of their games. No excuses about injuries or anything or they did not like coach. McDonagh has not done that. I see the teams which win have those players.
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