Petterson or Dahlin?

[Ainec]

do you take yourself seriously ?

did you see the if?

do you take things seriously without reading

 

[tsujimoto74]

if Dahlin is having a historic 18 year old season, then Pettersson is having a generational draft + 1 season

it's the same rehash before. Historic to me is Crosby/Ovechkin level of dominance. Yes Ovechkin was technically in his draft +1 due to lockout but whatever

Yeah, no, because when you compare Dahlin to other 18-year-old defensemen in league history, he's pacing for the 3rd best season by such a player ever. When you compare Pettersson's to other 20-year-old forwards in league history, what he's doing is comparatively less remarkable.

 

[Ainec]

Yeah, no, because when you compare Dahlin to other 18-year-old defensemen in league history, he's pacing for the 3rd best season by such a player ever. When you compare Pettersson's to other 20-year-old forwards in league history, what he's doing is comparatively less remarkable.

Pejorative Slured argument

this 18 year old, 20 year old stuff is hilarious and lame. Why not just compare the equally small pool of players that transition from getting drafted to the NHL or use years removed from.draft elgibility? That is a far better measuring tool of development than hyping up a January birthdate over a November birthdate lmao

He is pacing for less than Ekblad right now, who was 19 in his rookie season after getting drafted.

Dahlin's competition for 18-19 (straight from draft) are the Jackman, Doughty, Ekblads of the league

Now compare Pettersson with his draft + 1 and its against Ovechkin? Matthews? McDavid? Crosby? There is no comparison

 

[pettersson]

Yeah, no, because when you compare Dahlin to other 18-year-old defensemen in league history, he's pacing for the 3rd best season by such a player ever. When you compare Pettersson's to other 20-year-old forwards in league history, what he's doing is comparatively less remarkable.

Lol, the sample size is so incredibly small here in comparison. There have been 13 18-year old d-men from 2000+ in the league. There is close to 13+ rookie forwards in their 19-20 yr old season in this season alone. That being said, Pettersson is on pace to have one of the best rookie seasons since Ovi.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Peteyyyyyyyyyy

 

[tsujimoto74]

Lol, the sample size is so incredibly small here in comparison. There have been 13 18-year old d-men from 2000+ in the league. There is 13+ rookie forwards in their 19-20 yr old season in this season alone. That being said, Pettersson is on pace to have one of the best rookie seasons since Ovi.

Which only tells you how hard it is to play in the NHL as an 18yo d-man at all, much less to play well.

 

[Ainec]

ppl arguing birthdates are the same ones that would pass on brady tkachuk

draft/development years are the only thing that should be discussed

2017 vs 2018

saying 18 vs 20 just to pump your guy is weak. You could say Dahlin has been hyped far longer and we were hearing his name as 1oa back in 2016

 

[pettersson]

Which only tells you how hard it is to play in the NHL as an 18yo d-man at all, much less to play well.

No, because in general 18 yr olds dont get a chance to play in the NHL. Most players turn 19 early in the season or before the season in their draft+1 season. There arent many forwards that have had 18 yr old seasons either (27 that have played 50+ or in this season). On average, #1 and #2 pick are usually the only picks that make the NHL in their post-draft season.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, Dahlin will be great but you arent doing yourself any favors here by downplaying Pettersson's season because Dahlin is 18 yrs old.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I will admit that was a terrible opinion, But he sure wouldn't be hand fed the minutes he is getting now if Buffalo had better defensive depth

He's getting the minutes he's getting now because Marco Scandella and Jake McCabe are both injured. They are both legitimate top 4 defenseman. The Sabres have depth on the blueline (at least on the left side). what they didnt have before Dahlin was a legitimate 1st pairing defenseman on the left side. If anything Housley has underutilized Dahlin since the beginning of the season. So I'm not really sure how that leads to him being "hand fed" minutes.

 

[Windy River]

Lol bringing birthdate/age into the equation is a stretch.

 

[nickdawg95]

so Petterson is having a generational Draft + 1 season and Dahlin isn't special because there have only been 13 dman since 2000 to play at 18

gotcha' keep up the good work

 

[Love]

Yeah, no, because when you compare Dahlin to other 18-year-old defensemen in league history, he's pacing for the 3rd best season by such a player ever. When you compare Pettersson's to other 20-year-old forwards in league history, what he's doing is comparatively less remarkable.

Ovechkin won the Calder over Crosby even though Crosby was 18 and Ovechkin was 20. The award goes to the best rookie, not which rookie is the best relative to their age. Panarin (24) also won over McDavid (18) and yes that was primarily due to McDavid's injury. The point still stands that historically the award goes to whichever rookie has the best season not who has the most rare or "best season relative to age."

With regards to the Calder, it shouldn't matter to voters if Dahlin is 18, 19, or 24. It's about which player had the best season regardless of age.

 

[42]

Yeah, that age argument is so lame. People should stop using it to support their biased opinion.

 

[pettersson]

so Petterson is having a generational Draft + 1 season and Dahlin isn't special because there have only been 13 dman since 2000 to play at 18

gotcha' keep up the good work

You're reading what you want to read. You guys are the ones downplaying Pettersson cause he's not 18 yrs old like dahlin.

I even wrote that dahlin will be great, but age aside..Petterson is having an above average Calder-worthy rookie season thus far. The 18 yr old thing is being blown out of proportion, if dahlin is right there for Calder then so is heiskanen

 

[Ainec]

so Petterson is having a generational Draft + 1 season and Dahlin isn't special because there have only been 13 dman since 2000 to play at 18

gotcha' keep up the good work

Pettersson*

no, if you want to be hyperbolic and call Dahlin's season historic because of a vague criteria of being 18, when most players such as Matthews have late birthdays and can't fulfil that criteria then Pettersson's season might as well be generational, if we use the same hyperbolic stance

 

[tsujimoto74]

Ovechkin won the Calder over Crosby even though Crosby was 18 and Ovechkin was 20. The award goes to the best rookie, not which rookie is the best relative to their age. Panarin (24) also won over McDavid (18) and yes that was primarily due to McDavid's injury. The point still stands that historically the award goes to whichever rookie has the best season not who has the most rare or "best season relative to age."

With regards to the Calder, it shouldn't matter to voters if Dahlin is 18, 19, or 24. It's about which player had the best season regardless of age.

This thread isn't just about who should win the Calder. OP also asked which player you'd rather have, which involves long-term projections. Unless you'd take Panarin over McDavid now because he won the Calder...

 

[Jetcetera]

Pettersson AINEC as far as calder goes. The two aren't even in the same class.

 

[Jetcetera]

This thread isn't just about who should win the Calder. OP also asked which player you'd rather have, which involves long-term projections. Unless you'd take Panarin over McDavid now because he won the Calder...

did you actually compare McDavid to Dahlin?

 

[Ainec]

did you actually compare McDavid to Dahlin?

ridiculous right



I like Dahlin a lot but

 

[stampedingviking]

Dahlin is one of the absolute biggest reasons a team that last season was among the worst in league history has a pretty good chance of being a playoff team this seasons. An 18 year old defenseman having that kind of impact is insane.

Nothing to do with Eichel finally getting someone decent to play with then?

 

[Ainec]

This thread isn't just about who should win the Calder. OP also asked which player you'd rather have, which involves long-term projections. Unless you'd take Panarin over McDavid now because he won the Calder...

I have no problem with people taking Dahlin because they value dmen and feel Dahlin's status of 1oa worthy prospect since 2016 is a longer and more legitimate stretch than Pettersson's record breaking shl season and this rookie season

the Panarin vs McDavid comparison is ridiculous and reveals your homerism.

EP and RD are 1 draft year apart, EP is having the better rookie season. If both hit their ceiling given what they've shown in the past 2 years (pedigree and hype) you can't put them on different tiers. EP this season looks like he's closer to hitting that ceiling while Dahlin less so and that's primarily because a rookie dmen position is harder than a center position

 

[FrankGallagher]

Both awesome but Dahlins upside is a generational defenceman who changes the way the position is played and viewed, Pettersson isn't even in that ballpark. And that's no slight to Pettersson he's going to be a top forward in the NHL for a long time. Short term though the calder race will be interesting. Rare for a young D to have this big of an impact but gonna be hard to beat Pettersson if he finishes ppg+.

 

[Ainec]

Both awesome but Dahlins upside is a generational defenceman who changes the way the position is played and viewed, Pettersson isn't even in that ballpark. And that's no slight to Pettersson he's going to be a top forward in the NHL for a long time.

okay I'd take Bobby Orr over McDavid

 

[Motte and Bailey]

Both awesome but Dahlins upside is a generational defenceman who changes the way the position is played and viewed, Pettersson isn't even in that ballpark. And that's no slight to Pettersson he's going to be a top forward in the NHL for a long time. Short term though the calder race will be interesting. Rare for a young D to have this big of an impact but gonna be hard to beat Pettersson if he finishes ppg+.

How is Dahlin going to change the way the defensive position is played and viewed?

 

[tsujimoto74]

did you actually compare McDavid to Dahlin?

I'm not the one who brought any of those names into this conversation, so lol no. Even if I had, I wouldn't be the first to do so (Craig Button did it on numerous occasions --- I'm sure he' just a huge Sabres homer tho, right guys?).