2012 Re-Draft on NHL.com is laughable

[Irishguy42]

That redraft sucks

But this^ redraft is pretty radical.

Out.

 

[tarheelhockey]

No I had a wedding over the weekend to attend. Was busy and just replied. But yeah you did say he doesn't play on the powerplay I showed that to be false. Not sure where you are going with the rest of your post just accept you have been proven wrong and we can all carry on. Never once "teared" Slavin down I just said he isn't above some of the other D like Lindholm and Trouba yet like another poster stated. At best he's at the same level, at worst he's just below them. You can rest easy guard dog no one is tearing your precious player down.

Good lord, man.

Is he on the Hurricanes power play or not?

No, he is not.

This is not that hard.

 

[Ducks DVM]

What are you playing at in this thread? Was the strategy to wait until days later in the wee hours of the morning, just to slip a nitpicky last word under the radar?

I didn't say Slavin literally never touches the ice during a PP, so let's do away with that nonsense about 0:00. I said he "doesn't play on the PP". As demonstrated, he is not on either of the Hurricanes' PP units. If he's on the ice during a PP, it's either as a substitute in a pinch, or because he's starting the post -PP shift.

This is EASILY OBSERVABLE if you have watched the Hurricanes play. It is harder to observe if you are carelessly scanning end-of-season stat sheets.

Other things that happen when you don't really know anything about a player but need to tear him down on the internet:
- You judge him to have played 50% less elite-level hockey than he's actually played
- You don't realize there's a stark difference between his ice time at the beginning and end of a given season
- You project that his role must have been "reduced" due to an insignificant TOI change
- You judge his breakout and his relation to other players primarily on point production, when the player in question is a pure defensive defenseman

Perhaps it's time to stop digging and just put in the effort to actually know something meaningful about the subject.

I watch the Hurricanes twice a year, so I have no firsthand knowledge or dog in this fight, but he's got the 3rd most PP minutes of any defensemen on the team by a pretty substantial margin. Do you really run two units of 4 forwards and 1 defenseman?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I watch the Hurricanes twice a year, so I have no firsthand knowledge or dog in this fight, but he's got the 3rd most PP minutes of any defensemen on the team by a pretty substantial margin. Do you really run two units of 4 forwards and 1 defenseman?

Yes. Faulk is on the first unit and Hanifin is on the second. Slavin never skated a regular shift on the powerplay. He got time on the powerplay in situations like Tarheel described, and I'm sure he got spot time here and there, but Peters never had him running a powerplay.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

You guys are all wrong. He clearly plays in the power play because his NHL.com stats says so. I don't need to watch the games. The stats don't lie.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Slavin's overall PP TOI/GP number is skewed. He did play a regular shift on the PP in November-December. Slavin wasn’t particularly effective in that role; he’s very pedestrian when it comes to in-zone offense. Peters and co. took him off the PP at the beginning of the year. From January-April, Slavin only averaged 34 seconds per game.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...ter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppTimeOnIcePerGame

The Canes did in fact roll 4F/1D on both units for the most part. The most common combinations were:

Lindholm – Staal – Aho
Teravainen – Faulk

Stempniak – Ryan – Skinner
Rask – Hanifin

 

[tarheelhockey]

I watch the Hurricanes twice a year, so I have no firsthand knowledge or dog in this fight, but he's got the 3rd most PP minutes of any defensemen on the team by a pretty substantial margin. Do you really run two units of 4 forwards and 1 defenseman?

It's largely the result of the Canes roster structure.

Faulk is a power play beast and an obvious choice as QB.

Hanifin isn't there yet, but clearly he's being built up as an offensive contributor.

Then you have Slavin and Pesce, who are not only both defensive-defensemen but also joined at the hip.

The bottom pair is garbage, guys like Hainsey and Dahlbeck. Guys who serve no purpose on the PP.

From a deployment standpoint, Peters knows that an unsuccessful PP is usually going to be followed by seeing the other team's top line. That requires the Slavin-Pesce pairing to be on the ice.

That means he is better off keeping those guys on the bench during the PP, and sending over a 4th forward. As the PP comes to an end, he slides the defensive pair out there so that they are ready to receive a push from the opponent's top line.

Hence Slavin getting 10-15 seconds of PP time, a handful of times per game.

 

[Daximus]

Good lord, man.

Is he on the Hurricanes power play or not?

No, he is not.

This is not that hard.

The correct way to say this is he is not a mainstay on the PP. But he gets minutes. Might not be prime minutes but he gets minutes. And according to Canes fans above he was on a unit for a small period of time. So maybe don't speak in absolutes and spout off on people like you so often do and people might not be inclined to call you on little things like this.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The correct way to say this is he is not a mainstay on the PP. But he gets minutes. Might not be prime minutes but he gets minutes. And according to Canes fans above he was on a unit for a small period of time. So maybe don't speak in absolutes and spout off on people like you so often do and people might not be inclined to call you on little things like this.

"Might not be prime minutes", meaning he's not even on either PP unit and comes on the ice for the next shift? Ok.

Bear in mind this all connects back to your larger point that Slavin's ranking against other players hinges mainly on his point scoring.

This is a classic case of someone wielding stats with zero hockey context for what they actually mean.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

No I had a wedding over the weekend to attend. Was busy and just replied. But yeah you did say he doesn't play on the powerplay I showed that to be false. Not sure where you are going with the rest of your post just accept you have been proven wrong and we can all carry on. Never once "teared" Slavin down I just said he isn't above some of the other D like Lindholm and Trouba yet like another poster stated. At best he's at the same level, at worst he's just below them. You can rest easy guard dog no one is tearing your precious player down.

Reading your posts in this thread and it is very clear that you are completely ignorant regarding Jaccob Slavin. You should probably just quit while you are ahead, and keep your comments to players that you've actually watched.

There is a reason both Weekes and Hradek had him as the best defenseman from this draft.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I was going to ***** about Trouba at #11, then I saw Slavin at #16.

Woof, what a terrible list.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

2012 has been one of the best drafts when it comes to defensemen.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Do they intentionally make these re-drafts terrible to spark discussion and drive clicks?

https://www.nhl.com/news/2011-nhl-re-draft-gaudreau-jumps-to-no-1/c-280996940

 

[Daximus]

Reading your posts in this thread and it is very clear that you are completely ignorant regarding Jaccob Slavin. You should probably just quit while you are ahead, and keep your comments to players that you've actually watched.

There is a reason both Weekes and Hradek had him as the best defenseman from this draft.

Hasn't surpassed Trouba or Lindholm yet. I've seen him play so maybe you should just keep your comments to people you actually know. A lot of assumptions around here.

 

[Daximus]

"Might not be prime minutes", meaning he's not even on either PP unit and comes on the ice for the next shift? Ok.

Bear in mind this all connects back to your larger point that Slavin's ranking against other players hinges mainly on his point scoring.

This is a classic case of someone wielding stats with zero hockey context for what they actually mean.

That was a part of what I posted but obviously the only part you read was Trouba out paced him in points. You cherry picked one part of my post to complain about and completely ignored the rest. Get a grip.

 

[Maukkis]

I thought Parayko at #9 was outrageous until I saw Slavin was #16.


1. Matt Murray
2. Filip Forsberg
3. Alex Galchenyuk
4. Hampus Lindholm
5. Morgan Rielly
6. Teuvo Teravainen
7. Shayne Gostisbehere
8. Andrei Vasilevskiy
9. Colton Parayko
10. Tomas Hertl
11. Jacob Trouba
12. Olli Maatta
13. Frederik Andersen
14. Tanner Pearson
15. Brady Skjei
16. Jaccob Slavin
17. Cody Ceci
18. Matt Dumba
19. Connor Hellebuyck
20. Michael Matheson
21. Damon Severson
22. Jon Gillies
23. Ryan Murray
24. Andreas Athanasiou
25. Jimmy Vesey
26. Connor Brown
27. Radek Faksa
28. Josh Anderson
29. Esa Lindell
30. Tom Wilson

https://www.nhl.com/news/re-drafting-2012-class-penguins-murray-jumps-to-top-spot/c-289915874

1. Murray at 1 is either extremely logical and right, or an atrocious case of overrating. It really depends on who you're asking, but I'm leaning more towards the latter option. A top 10 choice for sure, but Murray shouldn't be in the top 5.

2. Forsberg is extremely good - not many have proven both goalscoring talent and solid two-way play at his age. Very accurate.

3. Galchenyuk... yeah, he should definitely be lower, even if he is leading the draft class in points and games played.

4. Personally, I have Lindholm at 1. That's me being high on him, and for a damn good reason. The guy is awesome.

5. Rielly is a tad too high.

6. Oh my. TT is not even the best 2012 draftee who plays for the Canes. What a dumpster fire of a choice at 6.

7. Ghost is a solid pick, but not solid enough to warrant the seventh spot (he's close, though). That being said, I assume that his rookie season is still raising some eyebrows among those who submit these lists.

8. I think Murray barely belongs to the top 10. You might be able to figure out my take on Vasi based on that.

9. What a steal of a pick in the original draft. 9 might be low by a slot or two in the redraft.

10. I guess Hertl is ranked a bit too high.

11. This is a travesty. One of the two clear 1Ds of the draft at this point, who should be an unanimous top 3 choice.

12. I have no problems with this.

13. Murray > Andersen > Vasi. For real though, comparing goalies to skaters is so damn tough, especially when the criterion couldn't be more vague than this.

14. This draft wasn't good for those who were in need of forwards. Pearson is easily a first rounder in the redraft, although I would put him closer to 20 than 10.

15. I find Skjei's rookie year overrated - he faced easy minutes and got his chances to produce. I want to see more of him in a more difficult role before putting him as high as most would.

16. I thought I was offended by Trouba being at 11. Now I am.

Maybe lists are just name recognition after all. For me, Slavin is at 4.



From 17 and onwards, I really don't know enough about the guys to comment on them. My list:

1. Lindholm
2. Forsberg
3. Trouba
4. Slavin
5. Parayko
6. Rielly
7. Galchenyuk
8. Murray
9. Gostisbehere
10. Määttä
11. Murray
12. Severson
13. Andersen
14. Hertl
15. Skjei
16. Dumba
17. Matheson
18. Ceci
19. Vasilevskiy
20. Pearson

 

[Beauner]

Maataa should be like 20th. Awful defenseman.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Hasn't surpassed Trouba or Lindholm yet. I've seen him play so maybe you should just keep your comments to people you actually know. A lot of assumptions around here.

I'd love to hear a detailed critique of his play, since you've watched him so many times.

 

[cbj21]

I have high hopes for Josh Andersons future

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

gj nhl

v top notch

 

[Daximus]

I'd love to hear a detailed critique of his play, since you've watched him so many times.

Would you like a detailed critique of Trouba and Lindholms play as well?

 

[tarheelhockey]

That was a part of what I posted but obviously the only part you read was Trouba out paced him in points. You cherry picked one part of my post to complain about and completely ignored the rest. Get a grip.

Yeah, I'm cherrypicking. You *totally* didn't make like half a dozen demonstrably false claims, based only on his hockey-card stats. Ok.

 

[glasses91]

Pretty damn good class if you ask me....

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Would you like a detailed critique of Trouba and Lindholms play as well?

No, just Slavin. I'd be interested in hearing, from you, what he specifically needs to improve upon.

 

[YesCubed]

slavin should be up more after his breakout season (16-17)