2012 Re-Draft on NHL.com is laughable

[Daximus]

Slavin was good last year and great this year. Regardless, he's currently the only true #1 defenseman on that list which is why I put him first.

Trouba produced at a similar clip (1 less point) to Slavin in 22 less games as the Jets #1 defencemen this season. If Slavin is a #1 defencemen then Trouba has been for awhile. Lindholm as well. In fact both have proven more than Slavin to this point. He's good but lets slow down with him being the best when he hasn't even proven he's better then those two yet.

 

[HanSolo]

Dear lord this is bad.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

No even so much the fact that Slavin is 16 (which is bad). But they have him 10 spots behind Teuvo who plays on the same team. Ask anybody who watches the Canes which one of them has more of an impact.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Lindholm
Forsberg
Parayko
Jacob Trouba
Jaccob Slavin
Alex Galchenyuk
Ryan Murray
Rielly
Pearson?

Such a weak draft

 

[DopeyFish]

Leafs somehow got 2 players out of this putrid draft so I consider that a win

 

[Arthuros]

Honestly, the draft was kinda weak on elite talent, but it has crazy defensive depth. You've got multiple young defenders, all of which have top-pairing potential, with some smatterings of potential #1s.

I swear that a couple of the NHL network analysts did a re-draft of the 2012 defencemen. I'm pretty sure they both ended up with Slavin at #1 (which seems a bit premature).

 

[tarheelhockey]

Don't even need to stir up arguments by comparing Slavin to other teams' young defensive studs.

Instead, just look where they have him ranked relative to his own teammate, Teravainen. There is simply no plausible excuse for anyone to have seen these guys playing on the same team and to have come away with Teravainen ranked higher. Meaning, whoever did this list cannot have actually watched them play in the past year. Meaning, this person had absolutely no business publishing such a list and the NHL had no business promoting it.

 

[Arthuros]

Don't even need to stir up arguments by comparing Slavin to other teams' young defensive studs.

Instead, just look where they have him ranked relative to his own teammate, Teravainen. There is simply no plausible excuse for anyone to have seen these guys playing on the same team and to have come away with Teravainen ranked higher. Meaning, whoever did this list cannot have actually watched them play in the past year. Meaning, this person had absolutely no business publishing such a list and the NHL had no business promoting it.

Absolutely agree. The list is garbage.

 

[blueberrie]

Galchenyuk still at #3 hasn't been mentioned yet but that's pretty bad.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Maatta is way too high. He should be in the 20-25 range.

Wait what, why? I can understand being below Slavin, but that's really about it. There aren't many guys that come after Maatta that I think should be above Maatta.

I'd personally put Maatta at probably 15, with Slavin jumping up and Skjei falling right below Maatta. Maatta should be right where Severson and Skjei should be at, all should be around 15 and above Ceci and Dumba. Slavin should obviously go up and Severson, Skjei and Maatta should fall at 15-17.

 

[The Note]

Teravainen at 6 is the most egregious thing about this list and that's saying something.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Leafs somehow got 2 players out of this putrid draft so I consider that a win

3 if you consider they acquired Freddy Andersen.

For not having a 1st round pick in that draft. The Canes ended up ok (after a trade) by having Slavin, Teravainen, and Brock McGinn. DiGuiseppe still has a chance as well.

 

[Paul4587]

Rielly, Teravainen and Gostisbehere over Parayko, Slavin and Trouba? What an absolute joke. Maattaa way too high also.

Who makes these lists?

 

[BruinDust]

Teravainen and Gostisbehere are too high.

And I don't see how Galchenyuk goes 3rd overall. I can see him slipping out of the top 10. Still hasn't figured out if he's a center or a winger, one of the league's softest players for a man his size, inconsistent effort, weak defensively.

 

[tony d]

I like Murray and he's been largely responsible for the Penguins being back to champs but don't know if he'd go #1 in a 2012 re-draft.

 

[NobleSix]

Galchenyuk still at #3 hasn't been mentioned yet but that's pretty bad.

No it isnt. He's properly ranked.

Reilly should be further down the list.

 

[Ignatius]

I remember when before Olli Maatta had some life altering health issues a few years ago that many were thinking that he was going to be Finland's version of Nik Lidstrom. Apparently now, according to HF, he is the worst player drafted in the first round of this draft. Nevermind his contributions to two Stanley Cups and an Olympic Bronze medal.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I remember when Corey Masisak had the Kings in the top 16 for his power rankings once (I forget how high) the same week they were statistically eliminated from the playoffs cause their advanced stats were good. Like let's presume he started writing that piece before the elimination happened. The Kings were still on the BRINK of being eliminated. I've come around in recent years to concede to the value of advanced stats but I still maintain they aren't the be all end all and whatever season that was (I forget which), the Kings were an example of how a sight test is still needed. They possessed the puck incredibly well. they took a lot of shots,, and prevented shots well. But their shots on goal were **** poor perimeter shots, their puck possession was limited to just holding the puck and passing it around without really doing anything with it. It was clear he wasn't actually watching the team so I found it incredibly laughable that he put the Kings on the list which published the day after they were bounced from playoff contention.

Random OT: But this was Brian Campbell to a "T". A reason why he was overrated IMO. And a reason why a lot of people who put a lot of value into analytics thought he was great or underrated. And that probably goes for a lot of other players with good analytics.

 

[THall4]

Personally as an Oiler fan...in a 2012 re-draft I would've taken Hampus Lindholm #1 overall or traded down a bit and taken the local boy Colton Parayko

 

[Sypher04]

Trouba produced at a similar clip (1 less point) to Slavin in 22 less games as the Jets #1 defencemen this season. If Slavin is a #1 defencemen then Trouba has been for awhile. Lindholm as well. In fact both have proven more than Slavin to this point. He's good but lets slow down with him being the best when he hasn't even proven he's better then those two yet.

Trouba hasn't been and isn't the Jets #1.

That's quite clearly Byfuglien.

Trouba is their #2 right now.

 

[Daximus]

Trouba hasn't been and isn't the Jets #1.

That's quite clearly Byfuglien.

Trouba is their #2 right now.

To start the season while Trouba was a hold out Buff was averaging a boatload of minutes. So yeah for that 22 game stretch Buff was absolutely the #1 by a fair margin. As the season progressed and Trouba signed Morrissey-Trouba became the #1 pairing at least at even strength. Buff gets more PP minutes though as the QB but that will likely change this season. They go back and forth for top minutes towards the end of last season. Sometimes Trouba plays more, sometimes Buff plays more. Sometimes they play identical minutes it all depends on how much the Jets are on the PP or PK, which for the later is usually a lot. But as it stands Trouba is our #1 heading into next season.

Even when you look at the Hurricanes game-by-games Faulk sometimes gets more minutes than Slavin. If you take out some of the first chunk of games in the season where Buff was averaging 30 mins a night it evens out a lot more.

 

[Sypher04]

To start the season while Trouba was a hold out Buff was averaging a boatload of minutes. So yeah for that 22 game stretch Buff was absolutely the #1 by a fair margin. As the season progressed and Trouba signed Morrissey-Trouba became the #1 pairing at least at even strength. Buff gets more PP minutes though as the QB but that will likely change this season. They go back and forth for top minutes towards the end of last season. Sometimes Trouba plays more, sometimes Buff plays more. Sometimes they play identical minutes it all depends on how much the Jets are on the PP. But as it stands Trouba is our #1 heading into next season.

I guess I just see it as, with that contract, with his role, until he regresses anyway, Byfuglien is basically the guy.

 

[Daximus]

I guess I just see it as, with that contract, with his role, until he regresses anyway, Byfuglien is basically the guy.

He was pretty bad when he was playing 30 minutes a night. Lot's of mistakes. When you get him down around 22-25 he is a much better. Trouba takes 25 mins a night and they play solid.
There is a tonne of speculation on the Jets board that Trouba is going to be asking for Buff money long term after this season if he stays. I fully expect to see Buff traded in the future if that happens.

 

[DopeyFish]

3 if you consider they acquired Freddy Andersen.

For not having a 1st round pick in that draft. The Canes ended up ok (after a trade) by having Slavin, Teravainen, and Brock McGinn. DiGuiseppe still has a chance as well.

Well this was the 2nd time freddy was drafted so does it really count :p

 

[JetsHomer]

Random OT: But this was Brian Campbell to a "T". A reason why he was overrated IMO. And a reason why a lot of people who put a lot of value into analytics thought he was great or underrated. And that probably goes for a lot of other players with good analytics.

Holding the puck and just passing it around doesn't not lead to better 'advanced stats' if you are not getting shot attempts. What an ignorant post