2012 Re-Draft on NHL.com is laughable

[lomiller1]

Trouba produced at a similar clip (1 less point) to Slavin in 22 less games as the Jets #1 defencemen this season. If Slavin is a #1 defencemen then Trouba has been for awhile. Lindholm as well. In fact both have proven more than Slavin to this point. He's good but lets slow down with him being the best when he hasn't even proven he's better then those two yet.

There is some FotM going on with Slavin. He is good, but he’s a step below Trouba, Lindholm and Parayko.

 

[Lays]

This is brutal. Nuff said

 

[major major]

I remember when before Olli Maatta had some life altering health issues a few years ago that many were thinking that he was going to be Finland's version of Nik Lidstrom. Apparently now, according to HF, he is the worst player drafted in the first round of this draft. Nevermind his contributions to two Stanley Cups and an Olympic Bronze medal.

He's not terrible, but he's not one of Pittsburgh's best D-men and sadly with his mobility problems he doesn't have top pair upside. Same story with Ryan Murray.

 

[major major]

There is some FotM going on with Slavin. He is good, but he’s a step below Trouba, Lindholm and Parayko.

You can say he needs to prove it again, sure, but you can't say he wasn't every bit as good as them last year.

 

[Daximus]

There is some FotM going on with Slavin. He is good, but he’s a step below Trouba, Lindholm and Parayko.

He could definitely surpass them but at this time those 3 have been playing at a high level for awhile now. I'd take their consistency over Slavin right now.

Lindholm
Trouba
Parayko
Slavin
Reilly
Skjei

Is how it goes for me. And all of them are very very close in terms of their impact for their teams. Any one of them could breakout at any time and surpass the rest. They each bring something different to so they have varying levels of abilities that does make it hard to rank them. You have 5 potential #1's right there though.

Severson, Dumba, Ghost, Lindell, Ceci, Maata, Hutton and Murray could all potentially breakout too.

Hell of a draft for defencemen.

 

[DANOZ28]

no offense to matt dumba but as a wild fan i almost had a stroke we passed on forsberg. if we'd also got lucky & picked pastrnak i think we'd be the highest scoring team in the nhl!

 

[Daximus]

You can say he needs to prove it again, sure, but you can't say he wasn't every bit as good as them last year.

He absolutely was, Skjei was up there too. But as we've seen with all of these guys they have had up and down seasons. If Slavin continues to progress he could definitely surpass them all. One, some or all of them could have a breakout season next year and take the lead. Now that most of them have multiple seasons under their belts.

 

[agent082]

He's not terrible, but he's not one of Pittsburgh's best D-men and sadly with his mobility problems he doesn't have top pair upside. Same story with Ryan Murray.

But it was a nice surprise that last season he played better when there was injuries and he had to take a bigger role.

 

[tarheelhockey]

People need to understand that 2016-17 was not Slavin's breakout season. It was the season that people actually started paying attention.

 

[Kuhta]

Määttä has 2 cups, how many other defenceman from 2012 have?

 

[Daximus]

People need to understand that 2016-17 was not Slavin's breakout season. It was the season that people actually started paying attention.

Considering he's only had 2 seasons then last year was likely his breakout. Unless you consider a 20 point season a breakout.

 

[Rebels57]

Whoever did this Re-Draft should be fired for negligence.

 

[Daximus]

Määttä has 2 cups, how many other defenceman from 2012 have?

How many other defencemen play with Crosby, Malkin and Murray?

 

[TheOllieC]

Funny how Slavin was #1 in NHL Network's re-draft of 2012 d-men and he's not even in the overall top-15 here.

 

[rynryn]

they redo this next year, Dumba will be higher. late bloomer.

 

[Snippit]

Jake McCabe is underrated.

I personally think he's better than Maatta, who was put at #12

 

[Paul4587]

Määttä has 2 cups, how many other defenceman from 2012 have?

In that case Kunitz must be better than McDavid right?

 

[KingsHockey24]

My Top 15:

1. Filip Forsberg
2. Hampus Lindholm
3. Colton Parayko
4. Jacob Slavin
5. Morgan Reilly
6. Alex Galchenyuk
7. Jacob Trouba
8. Tanner Pearson
9. Tomas Hertl
10. Shayne Gostisbehere
11. Mathew Dumba
12. Teuvo Teravainen
13. Damon Severson
14. Cody Ceci
15. Olli Maatta

Edit: Forgot the goalies. Woops

 

[ijuka]

I remember when Corey Masisak had the Kings in the top 16 for his power rankings once (I forget how high) the same week they were statistically eliminated from the playoffs cause their advanced stats were good. Like let's presume he started writing that piece before the elimination happened. The Kings were still on the BRINK of being eliminated. I've come around in recent years to concede to the value of advanced stats but I still maintain they aren't the be all end all and whatever season that was (I forget which), the Kings were an example of how a sight test is still needed. They possessed the puck incredibly well. they took a lot of shots,, and prevented shots well. But their shots on goal were **** poor perimeter shots, their puck possession was limited to just holding the puck and passing it around without really doing anything with it. It was clear he wasn't actually watching the team so I found it incredibly laughable that he put the Kings on the list which published the day after they were bounced from playoff contention.

IIRC he had Kings like top 3 for almost the entire season despite them getting destroyed and being out of playoff contention for the entire time, all because they had "good corsi". And the moment you are referencing was just the icing on the cake.

I actually loved the old, dark NHL.com site. The site worked well even on my tiny 4 inch screen mobile phone, the information was there and simple to find, the comment sections were usually funny and functional, etc.

It's gone into the gutter trash tier for me ever since that horrendous makeover where you can't find anything, need to scroll for ages and where it's completely impossible to use on a mobile device(Despite being "designed for mobile")

 

[tarheelhockey]

Considering he's only had 2 seasons then last year was likely his breakout.

Gee, who to believe? You, using rock-solid inferences like the above, or myself, who personally saw him breaking out as it was happening?

Also...

Trouba produced at a similar clip (1 less point) to Slavin in 22 less games as the Jets #1 defencemen this season.

Unless you consider a 20 point season a breakout.

Slavin isn't an offensive defenseman. He doesn't even play on the PP, he munches ES and PK minutes and negates the opponent's #1 line on a nightly basis. Rating him on points, in addition to the comment above about his "likely" breakout year, suggests very strongly to me that you don't know much at all about the player and are basically just going off his hockeydb page.

 

[Daximus]

Gee, who to believe? You, using rock-solid inferences like the above, or myself, who personally saw him breaking out as it was happening?

Also...
Slavin isn't an offensive defenseman. He doesn't even play on the PP, he munches ES and PK minutes and negates the opponent's #1 line on a nightly basis. Rating him on points, in addition to the comment above about his "likely" breakout year, suggests very strongly to me that you don't know much at all about the player and are basically just going off his hockeydb page.

So his breakout season was 15/16 where he had less average time on ice, less responsibility and lower production? Interesting take. Usually a players breakout season is the one where they produce higher, take on a bigger role and tend to get noticed. But hey I guess because I'm not a Canes fan that goes out the window.... Only applies to players on the other 30 teams. Not the Canes.

It's interesting you say "He doesn't even play on the PP" when he averages .55 seconds a game on it. 3rd highest average among Carolina defencemen. 75:57 total minutes. Awful lot for someone who doesn't play on the PP. But I don't know much about him...

 

[Daximus]

If you look at the averages last year. This is from NHL.com.

Slavin
ES TOI/GM: 19:23
PP TOI/GM: 00:55
PK TOI/GM: 03:07

Trouba
ES TOI/GM: 20:17
PP TOI/GM: 01:40
PK TOI/GM: 02:59

Trouba is used in a lot more situations, not by much. But he PK's on average 8 seconds less and averages more ice time all around. While producing at a higher clip. Slavin is good but he still needs to take a few steps before he hits the levels of guys like Lindholm, Trouba and Parayko and do it consistently too.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

That might be the worst ranked hockey list I've ever seen, by anyone, ever.

 

[Trap Jesus]

A lot of the time people exaggerate on how bad these types of lists are as it's tough to rank 30 players in a way that most people will be tolerable of, but this one is just objectively awful.

 

[sharks9]

Murray at #1 is also very stupid