That was one of the best shocking endings that I've seen in a while. When Reigns said that and then the camera pans to Heyman it was such a terrific moment.
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Bought bloody time and Heyman can elevate Reigns, he's never been championship calibre on the mic.
I would still love to see one more run of a dangerous alliance. Grab Roman and a couple of other guys and Shayna into one stable and just let Heyman go wild.
On another note when I watched Smackdown and Vince (more face surgery?) he looks like one of Bray's puppets, or a Vince McMahon puppet designed by spitting image.
I would still love to see one more run of a dangerous alliance. Grab Roman and a couple of other guys and Shayna into one stable and just let Heyman go wild.
On another note when I watched Smackdown and Vince (more face surgery?) he looks like one of Bray's puppets, or a Vince McMahon puppet designed by spitting image.
I have a feeling that this is just Reigns swerving Heyman but I hope not. I like that pairing.
I want Heyman to manage multiple guys but separately, not in a faction. He was doing that for a short time in 2012-2013 with Lesnar, Punk, and Axel where those 3 guys were kept separate most of the time. Especially Lesnar and Punk - those two weren't even on screen together until they started feuding.
I want Heyman to manage multiple guys but separately, not in a faction. He was doing that for a short time in 2012-2013 with Lesnar, Punk, and Axel where those 3 guys were kept separate most of the time. Especially Lesnar and Punk - those two weren't even on screen together until they started feuding.
BostonBob
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I'm thinking that it's more likely Heyman swerves Reigns....maybe something with Lesnar involved.
Turning Reigns heel has been overdue for like half a decade, if this is really happening I may tune back in
LeafsNation75
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So you think we are going to get another chapter of Lesnar returning and eventually becoming Universal Champion again, to setup another showdown with Reigns at Survivor Series, Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania? We already saw that happen when Reigns defeated him at SummerSlam in 2018 and winning the title.
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That doesn't seem in the cards for what they're trying to do. If they wanted to use Lesnar again prior to the return of live crowds, they would have brought him back for the Thunderdome.
BostonBob
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You say that like Vince would never recycle a storyline that he thinks worked in the past.
I don't think it will happen right away. I also think that Reigns will not go full heel for the next few months despite Heyman trying to get him to do so and eventually Heyman will turn on Reigns and lead Lesnar to another WWE title. And remember - I'm not saying that this is a good idea or even that I like this idea but I do think it sounds like something Vince would do.
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I think last night showed they intend on going full heel with him. I don’t doubt what you think as a possible end-game eventually but Vince is ripping up scripts on a weekly basis, they have no idea what they’re going to do this week much less have this character arc mapped out a year and a half down the line.You say that like Vince would never recycle a storyline that he thinks worked in the past.
I don't think it will happen right away. I also think that Reigns will not go full heel for the next few months despite Heyman trying to get him to do so and eventually Heyman will turn on Reigns and lead Lesnar to another WWE title. And remember - I'm not saying that this is a good idea or even that I like this idea but I do think it sounds like something Vince would do.
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if Dom wins against Rollins he's just going to be in the Triple Threat to be get pinned so the other two get to look strong.
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God I HATE that intro music that Keith Lee has now.
But other than that, Vince has done a fantastic job of pushing him as a monster competitor. I loved that Orton pinned Rollins over Lee's spirit bomb. I just wish he would relax a little on the promos, speaking like he's teaching a philosophy 101 class.
But other than that, Vince has done a fantastic job of pushing him as a monster competitor. I loved that Orton pinned Rollins over Lee's spirit bomb. I just wish he would relax a little on the promos, speaking like he's teaching a philosophy 101 class.
His matches have looked good yea. I like the speaking hes like Bane or something but I can see that its weird too. Just get the man a new shirt or no shirt and some decent music asap.
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It just seems to me that Smackdown which used to be the better wrestling show while Raw was the better entertainment show has been thrown on its ears.
Smackdown seems to have the better storylines, Raw seems to have the better in ring guys.
Retribution is stupid, its just another Nexus invasion by NXT guys. Probably being run by Shane out of underground where he's recruiting.
Ok, I've had about enough of Mysterios kid, its almost like they took a video game character and gave him all the cheat codes. He's looking way too good against Rollins a former multitime champion. At least make him act like a rookie, make some mistakes, panic whatever. A rookie should literally be crapping his pants before going into a steel cage match against a guy like Rollins.
His wrestling is ok, though he's more spot machine then anything, but his facial expressions and his story telling need work.
But he's better then Erik Watts.
Smackdown seems to have the better storylines, Raw seems to have the better in ring guys.
Retribution is stupid, its just another Nexus invasion by NXT guys. Probably being run by Shane out of underground where he's recruiting.
Ok, I've had about enough of Mysterios kid, its almost like they took a video game character and gave him all the cheat codes. He's looking way too good against Rollins a former multitime champion. At least make him act like a rookie, make some mistakes, panic whatever. A rookie should literally be crapping his pants before going into a steel cage match against a guy like Rollins.
His wrestling is ok, though he's more spot machine then anything, but his facial expressions and his story telling need work.
But he's better then Erik Watts.
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Retribution needs to have at least one, maybe even two, bigger established names in order for it to be a success. If it's just a bunch of unknowns or guys from NXT it will fail miserably. Thus far IMO they have been presented like a bunch of young college kids who dress up in black on weekends to go spraypaint graffiti underneath overpasses and bridges.
And what's with their name? Why are they just "Retribution"? Shouldn't they be "The Retribution"? Doesn't that sound better?
The mannerisms and forced yelling by the Retribution members have been so bad. I can't take them seriously. It's a cool idea but they seem to have put the wrong people in it. I guess Reigns' heel turn is working out but it would have been cool for him to be the guy behind Retribution. Could have still had Heyman as his manager.
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