And which ones offer him SB or long term contracts when there is no fans in the stadium?
I agree that those teams would look.
But Carolina/nash/buff are small markets with financial issues
Detroit is brutal
Minny... maybe?
Well we don't know about next year yet regarding fans in the stadiums.
Add SEA to the list who would look at him if they want to be competitive off the hop, they have deep pockets and lots of cap space
BUF could have $40+ million in current projected cap space come 2021-22 but they need to re-sign Dahlin and Joker.
CAR could have $30+ million in current projected cap space come 2021-22 but they need to re-sign Hamilton and Svech
Both teams want to be competitive playoff teams and could use him.
DET is brutal but going into the 2021-22 season, they will likely want to shift from re-build to chasing playoffs no?
They could likely offer him a bit more than TOR if they want to, think they have something like $55 million in current projected cap space in 2021-22.
Just giving out some options for Andersen, don't know how TOR can re-sign him with Rielly's deal upcoming the year after Andersen's.
Yes there is for sure. The problem with trading Nylander is..
- He was "overpaid" and a problem child holding out and Dubas didn't want to "sell low" and others didn't want to take on the risk.
- He came back and had an amazing season and is now looking like a great value contract which Toronto really needs, raising his price to them.
Finding a fit that makes the Leafs better, while also making another team better is very hard. The Leafs are pretty well stocked with depth players. They have bottom 6 and bottom pair D spilling out the sides. They've also seemed to have found a good system to bring in cheap depth from over seas. So what this means is, it needs to be a significant piece coming to us rather than smaller pieces as anything else makes the team worse.
The problem is from other teams, Toronto starts asking for big names, and you start thinking "I want a Marner or Matthews for that not Nylander". Other teams I am sure have offered tons of packages like you mention here but been turned down. I am sure a lot of them are players like Muzzin, really good but in their 30's and a ticking time bomb. Leafs don't want to move Nylander for someone 10 years older when their "window" has just opened.
So what type of deal would work for Nylander? Well it needs to fill a need for us. Toughness, defensive ability, fighting ability, prospects, and skill.
- Must include someone that solves at least 1 defensive problem for us. Given he is our best trade piece, we need someone coming back that can play on the top pair with Rielly. That doesn't mean a #1 D, it means someone good enough to log some hard minutes next to a #1 D who is right handed. This will likely be an older player (not 22 or 23) and the values will even out here because D > W but youth >>>>.
- Some sort of addition that makes us want to get older in the process of moving him. We likely will find it hard to replace his impact for cap hit, so the Leafs need to really nail this deal. Someone who can play in the top 9 role with some of these attributes, or some draft picks (pair of 2nds/conditional first), or some prospects that look good (not blue chip but guys who look to be solid NHLers but need a bit more time).
We will never ever agree on a trade on HF because it is HF. But this is what it takes for the Leafs to move Nylander. Otherwise, if we are asked to lose value to save money, it will be on other players who don't have as much internal value as Nylander.
What are some example deals that roughly fit that mold?
Chris Tanev (with at least a few years of term) + Virtanen
T.J Brodie (with at least a few years of term) + Bennett
Two examples I think would fit what the Leafs want. Some might say that is high and it is. He's a very good young player with term left and was on pace to hit near 40 goals this season and was a better player than Marner was.
And this price is why trading Nylander not only hasn't happened, but isn't realistic.
All good points above.
Marner gets better return/better cap savings but is the better player vs Nylander's potential to become a #1RW who gets 70+pts on a cheaper deal but doesn't return the same caliber D Marner may.
The poster that offered up Manson + Rakell would be somewhat intriguing no?
Both of them have 2 years left on their deal, maybe ANA retains a bit to even out combined caphits?
Rakell's production should go back up with a more offensive team in TOR.
Manson doesn't have to be a #1 or 2 guy, but a solid #3?
If you're going free agency and willing to take a bit of a gamble, DeMelo would be my target. Decent defensive numbers, plays PK, fairly physical and played 20+ mins on multiple occasions for both OTT and WPG. I don't see him getting anything over $3.5 million on his next deal.
