TheReelChuckFletcher
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Young player, cap munching, veteran player for next year? Sounds like a Canes sort of play, doesn't it? Maybe they can come out of it with Eric Staal and Vladislav Firstov?
Rumor: Wild looking to attach a young player to trade a bad contract?
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That recap penalty is effective if he retires at 39 regardless if he is traded or not right? So the logic is that he decides to not retire early because Minny was loyal by not trading him?
If he stays in Minnesota until retiring at 39 it won't be nearly as bad. Because his cap hit will be higher than his actual salary after 2021, the last few years of his deal will lower the cap benefit Minnesota gets dinged for. If he retires at 39 in Minnesota the penalty is about $6.5m for 1 year.
But if we trade him before those cap hit > salary years, our net cap benefit never "deflates." We just get stuck with whatever the benefit was at at the time of the trade, which is currently about $19m. So if he retires at 39, with one year on his deal, we'd have a 1 year penalty of $19m. If he retired at 38 it'd be a 2 year penalty of $9.5m.
There's a table with all the numbers here, if that helps.
Based on what I saw from Minnesota, they are clearly lacking top end speed in their roster.
MIN:
Paul Byron
(Currently stuck on Mtl's 4th due to their winger depth, a speedy PK winger usually good for 15-22 goals/season.)
MTL:
Victor Rask
(Montreal gets younger, gets out from under a contract a year earlier despite the higher AAV.)
I'd do a 1 for 1 based on Byron's extra year of contract and being 4 years older than Rask despite his AAV being lower and him being a more impactful player than Rask usually is. If anything, either team adds later pick swaps to even things out.
MIN:
Paul Byron
(Currently stuck on Mtl's 4th due to their winger depth, a speedy PK winger usually good for 15-22 goals/season.)
MTL:
Victor Rask
(Montreal gets younger, gets out from under a contract a year earlier despite the higher AAV.)
I'd do a 1 for 1 based on Byron's extra year of contract and being 4 years older than Rask despite his AAV being lower and him being a more impactful player than Rask usually is. If anything, either team adds later pick swaps to even things out.
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I think you missed the point of the thread.
Why would we give up our 2019 second round pick to shed Staal’s... 3.25M...
Scintillating10
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bleedgreen
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Rask isn’t a bad contract. It’s 4 million. That doesn’t open up enough space to make it worth it to add a good young player.
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greasysnapper
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I wish he never got hurt again and actually got minutes when he was healthy. He's contributed in limited minutes but it's early.
Canes
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He might not be completely terrible but his production value is... luckily the Wild don't have to really care about cap for the next year or two, so his contract isn't as bad as it would be on a lot of teams.
AJ Thelen
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Not isolated, but combine that with Koivu and your almost hitting 10.
Those 10 million can be used to sign a long term deal with one of the upcoming 30+ UFA’s, you know..
hahahaha.
Rask is a capdump. Byron is an asset. Habs are not trading an asset for a capdump unless you are adding your 1st +.
Rask is brutal.
A 1st plus seems a bit extreme. Rask's contract isn't Alzner level bad. That being said, I agree that Minnesota would have to add in a Byron for Rask trade. Maybe that young player that the thread title is eluding to.
There is no room on the Habs roster for Rask. With Danault, Kotkaniemi and Domi at C, Rask would be in the AHL>
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weird i was told last year that donato would continue his pace from his stint last year and be a core player
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The Recapture penalty the Wild would be under threat from, makes trading Suter very unlikely.
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I'm not sure the Wild is as desperate to move a bad contract as the article makes it seem, but if they are:
Zach Parise + 1st (unprotected) or Boldy for Tatar + 1st (top 3 protected)
Or
Zach Parise + Greenway for Tatar
Again, that's going by the info in the article saying the Wild wants to move a bad contract, whether that's true or not remains to be seen.
Zach Parise + 1st (unprotected) or Boldy for Tatar + 1st (top 3 protected)
Or
Zach Parise + Greenway for Tatar
Again, that's going by the info in the article saying the Wild wants to move a bad contract, whether that's true or not remains to be seen.
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Can’t move Parise or Suter due to recapture. Boldy, Kaprizov and 2020 1st absolutely won’t be included either.
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Trading any of Boldy, Kaprizov or the 1st are grounds to fire Guerin immediately unless he so blatantly wins the deal to the extent that the other is immediately fired.
Yeah... we know.... we still miss Granlund big time! (among other deals that took advantage of Fenton)
bleedgreen
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Then Koivu is much more likely to be the target of this speculation than Rask obviously.Not isolated, but combine that with Koivu and your almost hitting 10.
Those 10 million can be used to sign a long term deal with one of the upcoming 30+ UFA’s, you know..
