DonnyNucker
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Well we were 22nd last year with a worse defence and one top 6 winger (now we have two), don’t see it! And f*** it, if we are, hello Lafreniere!!31st place here we come !
Well we were 22nd last year with a worse defence and one top 6 winger (now we have two), don’t see it! And f*** it, if we are, hello Lafreniere!!31st place here we come !
Our best defender was Marky. Alot will depend on how well he can replicate this past season's performance (no Guds or Poulliot will help). No expert predicator needed to assume Demko will get more starts (he's still essentially a NHL rookie so expect some growing pains).Well we were 22nd last year with a worse defence and one top 6 winger (now we have two), don’t see it! And **** it, if we are, hello Lafreniere!!
No EG and Poliout plus Hughes? I can’t fathom our D being worse. Demko > Nilsson (and least I f***ing hope so)Our best defender was Marky. Alot will depend on how well he can replicate this past season's performance (no Guds or Poulliot will help). No expert predicator needed to assume Demko will get more starts (he's still essentially a NHL rookie so expect some growing pains).
I mean, this scenario has less than a 1% chance of occurring but it is possible. Edit. To be clear, I would not have made the trade. I’m just not panicking over highly unlikely scenarios. At least not yet. That will change If we still suck in 18 months!The worst possible outcome is:
4 years of J.T. Miller (an overpaid complementary top 6 forward)
for
2020 1st round pick (1st overall) + 2019 3rd round pick (71st overall)
Could you imagine?
How could anybody fully analyze this deal, and still pull the trigger on it? Incredible, really. Did he even consider it at all, because I honestly believe Jimbo was like "He can rip the puck real good, we have to get him no matter the cost"?? Shows how desperate DimJim truly is.
And how doomed this franchise is.
Been meaning to make a post. JT Miller wasn't worth a 1st and a 3rd. He definitely wasn't worth a non-lottery protected 1st and a 3rd. At best, he's an excellent middle six winger. He's best used on a team's third line, ready to move up into a team's top six when needed. Sort of a Nick Bonino type of player, but without the ability to improve his play in the playoffs.
Chris Higgins was an excellent middle six winger. Higgins was had for a 3rd round pick and a spare part. The Canucks should've started their offer with a 3rd round pick, and then began to add from there. Starting from the 1st and then adding down is ass-backwards.
JT Miller really shouldn't be the central piece to any trade except at the trade deadline when depth pieces such as him are discussed to bolster title runs. Otherwise, he's the sort that gets added to trades when trading for true all-star level talent.
It’s perfectly fine to hate the trade but it’s kind of sad when people need to make shit up about Miller. He is a fine second line forward who is extremely versatile.Bonino never hit 50 points once. Other than his last year in Anaheim he has not even hit 40 points. He had 1 good playoff year and was pretty ordinary in all his others. It is a stretch to say he elevated his play in the post season. Bad example but lets move on.
Higgins, whom i loved, hit 50 points once in Montreal during his third season. He was good for 35ish points a year. Not a good comparable to Miller. 8 of his 10 seasons were under 40 points in his career.
I don't think you could have made 2 worse comparisons. Miller is not a 3rd line player no matter how much you wish him to be. He has already had more 50 point season than both the players you listed combined for their entire careers.
It’s perfectly fine to hate the trade but it’s kind of sad when people need to make **** up about Miller. He is a fine second line forward who is extremely versatile.
How would you feel about giving up a top 10 pick plus a 3rd for Miller?I mean, this scenario has less than a 1% chance of occurring but it is possible. Edit. To be clear, I would not have made the trade. I’m just not panicking over highly unlikely scenarios. At least not yet. That will change If we still suck in 18 months!
Oh I understand why it’s unpopular I just think a bit of reality is needed sometimes around here. it’s umlikely it’s a top 10 but it’s possible and that would suckHow would you feel about giving up a top 10 pick plus a 3rd for Miller?
There are players in the league that are worth unprotected firsts from teams in our position. JT Miller isn't one of them. That's the problem.
Here is the thing Donny. I don't actually like the trade myself. But feel the need to stop others from making stuff up to fit an agenda. It is the low hanging fruit of the forum community. Causes my brain to hurt. I don't care that people hate the trade. I get it. The idea of potentially losing a lottery pick will cause me cancer over the next two years. But why make stuff up about the player himself? As you said, he is a good player. Hate the trade but don't hate the player. This is a perfect example of group think. Just repeating what someone heard instead of investigating the details themselves.
How would you feel about giving up a top 10 pick plus a 3rd for Miller?
There are players in the league that are worth unprotected firsts from teams in our position. JT Miller isn't one of them. That's the problem.
It's crazy that Benning came to this as being the only solution.
This is very true. The general consensus is solid top 6 player, bad trade. It’s just a few people that are cherry picking stats to make Miller sound like a 3rd linerMost of the posters here think Miller is a good player, just not worth the cost it took to get him. It's a smaller minority that hate the player himself.
Most of the posters here think Miller is a good player, just not worth the cost it took to get him. It's a smaller minority that hate the player himself.
Been meaning to make a post. JT Miller wasn't worth a 1st and a 3rd. He definitely wasn't worth a non-lottery protected 1st and a 3rd. At best, he's an excellent middle six winger. He's best used on a team's third line, ready to move up into a team's top six when needed. Sort of a Nick Bonino type of player, but without the ability to improve his play in the playoffs.
Chris Higgins was an excellent middle six winger. Higgins was had for a 3rd round pick and a spare part. The Canucks should've started their offer with a 3rd round pick, and then began to add from there. Starting from the 1st and then adding down is ass-backwards.
JT Miller really shouldn't be the central piece to any trade except at the trade deadline when depth pieces such as him are discussed to bolster title runs. Otherwise, he's the sort that gets added to trades when trading for true all-star level talent.
And allow me to pass you a map to a book store where you can buy a book on "class" or perhaps under self help you can pickup " how to free myself from my bitter self and world "Thank you for this. No one had even considered this yet! Get in line my friend. Allow me to pass you a map to the Hab's forum.
With that it is time to get some sunshine.
I think you may have issues. . .Oh my... restraint settinguptheplay.... restraint! He is just a kid. He is just a kid.... Breath... that's it... Breath....
The evidences was JB didn't spend days or weeks haggling on the trade, that doesn't mean he didn't negotiate
To prove JB did negotiate, 2020 draft is a lot better than 2021. With the condition Tampa has no chance of getting a top 15 lottery pick. So tell me Tampa decided right away to give the Canucks more benefits on the conditions. The answer is clearly No, that proves JB did negotiate
And allow me to pass you a map to a book store where you can buy a book on "class" or perhaps under self help you can pickup " how to free myself from my bitter self and world "
I think you may have issues. . .
Ok, Lets play out a scenario.
BrisBois - TB wants a 1st and 3rd for Miller
Benning - A first is too much. We offer you two seconds instead
Sakic - Well Colorado will give you our first and third
Benning - I guess we are out
Colorado gets better and the Canucks do not
Using your own logic, if we wanted Miller we had to step up and best the other offers. Does not change the fact it is an over pay but it is a reality.
Miller is much better than Higgins and a decent amount better than Bonino. That doesn't change the fact that this is a really bad trade though.