[VAN/TBL] Cond. 1st ('20 / '21) Plus for J.T. Miller || Part 2

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[Baby Pettersson]

Yup, still a bad trade.

 

[Balls Mahoney]

Being a fan of this team is signing up for decades and decades of bullshit.

 

[RealityCheck22]

Being a fan of this team is signing up for decades and decades of bull****.

I only have so many years left on this earth. Kind of hope to see a Stanley Cup before that time is up. My confidence level is extremely low with JB at the helm

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

When does Seattle begin playing games?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

When does Seattle begin playing games?

Just choose Colorado. At least they have BC born or BC trained players and executives running that team! On the rise with a young core.

 

[TruGr1t]

Pretty much every media member hated it except Andrew Walker. So there you go.

 

[Dissonance Jr]

Biggest question, of course, is how the trade affects this year's tank thread.

 

[xtra]

Biggest question, of course, is how the trade affects this year's tank thread.

It doesn’t. We still want the tank; the main goal of the tank thread as always is to get Benning fired.

The issue is the following years tank thread.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Biggest question, of course, is how the trade affects this year's tank thread.

We should get the tank thread up and started. If I'm sticking around for another year it's going to be all about the tank for me.

 

[TruGr1t]

Biggest question, of course, is how the trade affects this year's tank thread.

The goal remains, and should always have been, playoffs in the 2020-2021 season.

Ideally, we get another lottery pick next year, the front office is totally fired, and we give Tampa the lowest possible pick in the 2021 draft.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

The goal remains, and should always have been, playoffs in the 2020-2021 season.

Ideally, we get another lottery pick next year, the front office is totally fired, and we give Tampa the lowest possible pick in the 2021 draft.

16th overall?

 

[DollarAndADream]

I don't really mind this trade at all. Canucks will compete a little next season, and hopefully land into a WC spot. That'll put that 1st rounder somewhere in the 20+ position, which most of time you don't find players like JT Miller at that spot. The 3rd is whatever I guess, but you definitely can find good players there. Mazanec obviously is just a throw in roster position, because he's heading for Europe anyways.

I like the trade. Canucks fans flip out no matter what. We've missed the playoffs 5 of 6 seasons, and need to get better some time. That will be next season or the one after it. The 1st has lottery protection if we suck next season. We can't just keep tanking and hoping for a top 2 pick.

I think Miller will take strides on this team and become his former self from NY. He was on a completely stacked TB roster last season, and although the goals weren't all there, he still played awesome. He'll thrive on the Petey or Horvat line.

 

[SillyRabbit]

When does Seattle begin playing games?

There's actually a solid chance that Seattle ends up being in a better position than us as early as 3-4 years into their existence.

They hired a very intelligent analytics focused woman as Director of Hockey operations. Seems like they're building a solid front office from the top down.

Meanwhile the word "analytics" is blacklisted within the Canucks organization with anyone who even utters the word being ushered out by security immediately.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

There's actually a solid chance that Seattle ends up being in a better position than us as early as 3-4 years into their existence.

Look at what Vegas accomplished in their very first year. If Seattle can have the kind of expansion draft Vegas did they'll have their boot on the Canucks throats in year one.

That's exciting.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

I don't really mind this trade at all. Canucks will compete a little next season, and hopefully land into a WC spot. That'll put that 1st rounder somewhere in the 20+ position, which most of time you don't find players like JT Miller at that spot. The 3rd is whatever I guess, but you definitely can find good players there. Mazanec obviously is just a throw in roster position, because he's heading for Europe anyways.

I like the trade. Canucks fans flip out no matter what. We've missed the playoffs 5 of 6 seasons, and need to get better some time. That will be next season or the one after it. The 1st has lottery protection if we suck next season. We can't just keep tanking and hoping for a top 2 pick.

I think Miller will take strides on this team and become his former self from NY. He was on a completely stacked TB roster last season, and although the goals weren't all there, he still played awesome. He'll thrive on the Petey or Horvat line.

Yeah, remember all that outrage when Benning signed Edler a couple of days ago? Man, all that flipping out...

The whole "we've got to get good sometime!" argument is undone when you remember why the Canucks have been scraping the bottom for the last four seasons. The team never deliberately tanked, never tried to build through the draft, never tried to leverage its cap space (for the one year we had it...) to take bad contracts as well as prospects. All Benning's ever done is try to build a good team for right now. The entire time he's been here he's made exactly two deals consistent with rebuilding teams: the Burrows and Hansen deals. And even those have left us with not a hell of a lot.

Benning has tried to ice a competitive team for five years by trading picks and prospects for right now players. He has failed miserably. I don't think that trading picks and prospects for right now players really hard is going to change the outcome.

 

[Fatass]

Yeah, remember all that outrage when Benning signed Edler a couple of days ago? Man, all that flipping out...

The whole "we've got to get good sometime!" argument is undone when you remember why the Canucks have been scraping the bottom for the last four seasons. The team never deliberately tanked, never tried to build through the draft, never tried to leverage its cap space (for the one year we had it...) to take bad contracts as well as prospects. All Benning's ever done is try to build a good team for right now. The entire time he's been here he's made exactly two deals consistent with rebuilding teams: the Burrows and Hansen deals. And even those have left us with not a hell of a lot.

Benning has tried to ice a competitive team for five years by trading picks and prospects for right now players. He has failed miserably. I don't think that trading picks and prospects for right now players really hard is going to change the outcome.

And when Benning is fired will the next guy be any improvement? Who will work for our owner knowing that the owner likes to meddle?

 

[I am toxic]

There's actually a solid chance that Seattle ends up being in a better position than us as early as 3-4 years into their existence.

They hired a very intelligent analytics focused woman as Director of Hockey operations. Seems like they're building a solid front office from the top down.

Meanwhile the word "analytics" is blacklisted within the Canucks organization with anyone who even utters the word being ushered out by security immediately.

That's not true . . .



. . . first they taser them.

 

[Nucks for the Cup]

I just love the condition on the pick. If we make the playoffs Benning will probably keep his job but if we miss the playoffs Benning will probably be let go and the pick goes to the next and year and basically screws over whoever the Canucks hire next. Just so clear that Benning is managing for his job and not the good of the team.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

And when Benning is fired will the next guy be any improvement? Who will work for our owner knowing that the owner likes to meddle?

Well if he's not then I guess I'll be signing off as a Canucks fan until someone else owns the team because improvement will be impossible if Aquaman's going to continue to meddle. But seeing as how he's shown himself to be impressionable as well as meddlesome, I just hope that a bonafide good executive manages to bend his ear sometime and sell him on an actual vision of how a team operates from inception to contention to championship caliber.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I don't really mind this trade at all. Canucks will compete a little next season, and hopefully land into a WC spot. That'll put that 1st rounder somewhere in the 20+ position, which most of time you don't find players like JT Miller at that spot. The 3rd is whatever I guess, but you definitely can find good players there. Mazanec obviously is just a throw in roster position, because he's heading for Europe anyways.

I like the trade. Canucks fans flip out no matter what. We've missed the playoffs 5 of 6 seasons, and need to get better some time. That will be next season or the one after it. The 1st has lottery protection if we suck next season. We can't just keep tanking and hoping for a top 2 pick.

I think Miller will take strides on this team and become his former self from NY. He was on a completely stacked TB roster last season, and although the goals weren't all there, he still played awesome. He'll thrive on the Petey or Horvat line.

You act like tanking is a choice... Aside from a few select cases in NHL history, it's usually just a byproduct of a bad team. This has been a bad team for 4 years. Top10 pick bad. Scorching future earth while dismissing that history is nonsensical. It's Dorian level atrocious.

This is a terrible trade. If we really dug into the facts behind this deal, you could not defend it. Of that I am almost positive sure. There's just too much to criticize.

 

[Melvin]

You act like tanking is a choice... Aside from a few select cases in NHL history, it's usually just a byproduct of a bad team. This has been a bad team for 4 years. Top10 pick bad. Scorching future earth while dismissing that history is nonsensical. It's Dorian level atrocious.

This is a terrible trade. If we really dug into the facts behind this deal, you could not defend it. Of that I am almost positive sure. There's just too much to criticize.

Respond to my posts then.

 

[CurtisLoew]

I wish we could have traded less for Miller obviously, but the trade isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. With our young core getting even better and if we pick up a free agent defenseman (whether good idea or not) then we are likely going to make the playoffs in the next two years. A 16-30 pick has probably at best a 30% chance of even making the NHL.

 

[zoolander09]

I don't really mind this trade at all. Canucks will compete a little next season, and hopefully land into a WC spot. That'll put that 1st rounder somewhere in the 20+ position, which most of time you don't find players like JT Miller at that spot. The 3rd is whatever I guess, but you definitely can find good players there. Mazanec obviously is just a throw in roster position, because he's heading for Europe anyways.

I like the trade. Canucks fans flip out no matter what. We've missed the playoffs 5 of 6 seasons, and need to get better some time. That will be next season or the one after it. The 1st has lottery protection if we suck next season. We can't just keep tanking and hoping for a top 2 pick.

I think Miller will take strides on this team and become his former self from NY. He was on a completely stacked TB roster last season, and although the goals weren't all there, he still played awesome. He'll thrive on the Petey or Horvat line.

Nobodys freakin out about getting miller.
Its about what thay paid to get him.
And your scenario takes for granted that it will be a 20th pick.
Thats what ottawa thought.
What if its top 3?
Your still ok dealing a petterson, horvat or hughes for miller?
Great logic.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Respond to my posts then.

The conclusion to your post is that you still think it was a bad trade. Are you now defending it as a good trade?