you can have sympathy for him or not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't also have realistic expectations of what to expect from him in terms of performanceI don't think it's really a bad take to say Nylander doesn't deserve any sympathy for not being up to speed.
That doesn't make sense to me. The grace period means that you don't judge him as if he's 100% when he has no chance to be 100%. To do that anyway is just to be unreasonable out of spite.Nylander thought he was worth the money, he was prepared to take it till like literally the last few minutes to ensure he got said money so he doesn't really get a grace period (vs. if he was injured, or had something tragic happen to him).
Exactly.you can have sympathy for him or not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't also have realistic expectations of what to expect from him in terms of performance
I didn't think it was that bad.
I have seen them get into it with each other many times, dunno why everyone is overreacting on this
I tend to agree. It's not like being hard on a guy who is coming back from injury. Nylander chose not to sign a deal until December and sat out. That's he's not up to speed is his own fault for missing camp and the first quarter of the season.I don't think it's really a bad take to say Nylander doesn't deserve any sympathy for not being up to speed.
I tend to agree. It's not like being hard on a guy who is coming back from injury. Nylander chose not to sign a deal until December and sat out. That's he's not up to speed is his own fault for missing camp and the first quarter of the season.
He'll get going eventually and I'll be glad when he does. But not going to feel sorry for him or sympathize with any heat he takes while getting up to speed. It was a conscious choice for him to go this route and nothing about it should be a shocker.
Idk if sympathy is the right word, but he's not really performing under expectations. You can't expect someone to come in 2 months in to the season and start playing like he hasn't missed a beat. If you want to crticize him, you're not criticizing him because he's playing poorly, you're criticzing him for signing later in the season (since that is the cause of him playing poorly).I tend to agree. It's not like being hard on a guy who is coming back from injury. Nylander chose not to sign a deal until December and sat out. That's he's not up to speed is his own fault for missing camp and the first quarter of the season.
He'll get going eventually and I'll be glad when he does. But not going to feel sorry for him or sympathize with any heat he takes while getting up to speed. It was a conscious choice for him to go this route and nothing about it should be a shocker.
Well its not like the deal he ended up with was being offered before the season...I tend to agree. It's not like being hard on a guy who is coming back from injury. Nylander chose not to sign a deal until December and sat out. That's he's not up to speed is his own fault for missing camp and the first quarter of the season.
He'll get going eventually and I'll be glad when he does. But not going to feel sorry for him or sympathize with any heat he takes while getting up to speed. It was a conscious choice for him to go this route and nothing about it should be a shocker.
Not like he had 3 months to be in NA training with a Jr team while awaiting said deal.Well its not like the deal he ended up with was being offered before the season...
Really like Darren Dutchyshen on Overdrive. They should make him permanent.
By the best estimates of the Leafs sports science department, it typically takes a player 12 days after training camp before his heart rate levels out during exertion.
That would put Nylander on schedule to be functioning at his peak sometime in mid-January after hitting the ground running last week and so far playing more games (three) than he’s had full practices (two) with the Leafs.
Not skating was probably a negotiation tactic to appear to not be close to a deal.Not like he had 3 months to be in NA training with a Jr team while awaiting said deal.
He wasn't even in NA on the deadline day to PHYSICALLY SIGN the deal.
Hayes is right to call out the performance. His job is to steer conversation and it's the hot topic.
If you guys know Hayes at all, you would realize he doesn't actually think Nylander to the Marlies is an option at all. He was using that to try to trap Ferraro in his logic to say you don't put a 7 million dollar guy down in the minors. He was trying to trap Ferraro into bringing up the contract to contradict his own logic based on how Nylander should or shouldn't have different expectations for his play right now due to the money he held out for.
Anyway, no one is arguing that Hayes isn't a fan boy at times. But he's actually pretty level headed and realistic regarding most things and if you believed he was serious about the Marlies then you haven't listened to enough Hayes. It was Hedger who brought that up in the first hour of that show and Hayes who shut her down.
I don't think it's really a bad take to say Nylander doesn't deserve any sympathy for not being up to speed.