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Torey's a really good offensive defenseman, but he's such a huge liability on defense. He was horrendous yesterday, and cost the bruins 2 goals.
I agree 100% with your assessment. Either Krug cannot or will not learn to play responsible defense in his own end and I don't see the benefit of his offensive skills helping the team score 50 goals when his defensive deficiencies help the team give up 55.
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Well, lucky for the Bruins, he's helped the Bruins score 37 total goals so far. He's been a primary factor (G or first A) on 24 of them. He's been on the ice for a total of 66 GF (goals for) and 42 GA (goals against).
And breaking that down a little further to 5v5 play, he's factored in on 10 goals, been a primary factor on 9 of them, and has been on the ice for 28 GF and 22 GA. His 22 GA places him behind just Carlo for total GA, and his GA/60 of 1.83 is 3rd best on the team behind Carlo (1.5 GA/60) and Grzelcyk (1.67 GA/6o). Not bad for the defensive sieve Krug!
You’re right that Krug was better with Carlo, and maybe they go back to that pairing and it works.No sorry, it wouldn't. He doesn't get exploited in the playoffs, another myth about Torey Krug. But your right about one thing, having Miller with him makes his job harder. We saw it last year in the playoffs, losing Carlo as his partner forced Krug to handle the puck more, get more touches, etc. D-men are going to get hit, it's inevitable. The more touches, the more hits you take. The more touches, the more fatigue is a factor. With Carlo some of the puck-moving responsibility is taken off Krug, and you get more out of him because of it.
This team has almost zero offense coming from it's back end. Can't win like that either.
Torey Krug is a core piece of this year's team. Like it or not.
You can't just shift Krug out for a any random "Top 6" winger and expect it won't have a negative impact on the teams offense. If you move Krug out, that winger coming back HAS to be a true top end guy, think Panarin, or Stone. Guys like Granlund (whose overrated) or Coyle, or Kreider, etc. aren't going to cut it if your losing what Krug brings.
Go away with your logic...
You're supposed to just overreact to yesterday's game
Well, lucky for the Bruins, he's helped the Bruins score 37 total goals so far. He's been a primary factor (G or first A) on 24 of them. He's been on the ice for a total of 66 GF (goals for) and 42 GA (goals against).
And breaking that down a little further to 5v5 play, he's factored in on 10 goals, been a primary factor on 9 of them, and has been on the ice for 28 GF and 22 GA. His 22 GA places him behind just Carlo for total GA, and his GA/60 of 1.83 is 3rd best on the team behind Carlo (1.5 GA/60) and Grzelcyk (1.67 GA/6o). Not bad for the defensive sieve Krug!
You’re right that Krug was better with Carlo, and maybe they go back to that pairing and it works.
It’s not a myth that Krug got exploited in the playoffs last season, it’s a fact. He was aweful. I guess because he put up good numbers offensively some people overlook how bad he was defensively? If Krug is making a mistake that costs a goal against for every point he produces, is his offense really that impactful? I’d rather have a two-way defenseman that you don’t need to shelter in order to be affective in the playoffs.
There was no Krug in 2011, the closest thing was Kaberle and he wasn’t as good as Krug offensively. Just a bunch of really good two-way defensemen that could do a little of everything.
Wow what a terrible assessment of Krug's game.
I don't care what his +/- is, he adds way more to the offense of this team than he hurts them in terms of goals-against that you can pin on his play.
The guy missed a stick check yesterday that directly resulted in a goal against and out come the pitch-forks claiming the guy is a sieve defensively, which isn't the case.
He is a sieve defensively and that missed stick check yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me. Include him in a trade for a top 6 forward and put Vaakainen or Lauzon in his spot.
He is a sieve defensively and that missed stick check yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me. Include him in a trade for a top 6 forward and put Vaakainen or Lauzon in his spot.
What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?He doesn't cost you a goal for every point he produces. Thats a pile of BS and you know it.
And it's not 2011 anymore. The NHL game isn't played like that anymore, sorry to break it to you.
What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?
I guess we just disagree that Grzelcyk or Mcavoy could play the powerplay. They won’t put up as many points as Krug but a 60+ point winger that comes back in my hypothetical trade more then makes up for those points.I didn't realize Justin Schultz was a rock defensively. He's no better than Torey Krug at defending, yet Pittsburgh won two cups with him and recently. I don't really care about anything past the past 3-4 years. Before that was a drastically different game.
And if you look at the past 3-4 cup winners, there is really no common denominator in how to build a cup winning D-corps in terms of skill-sets or how their minutes are allocated.
Top 3 Defensive team in the league with Torey Krug and that's not good enough for you? Your aiming for No.1 Defensively while seeing their Bottom 5 offense become a last place offense?
I guess we just disagree that Grzelcyk or Mcavoy could play the powerplay. They won’t put up as many points as Krug but a 60+ point winger that comes back in my hypothetical trade more then makes up for those points.
Krug is a power play specialist, every arguement for him is hinged on his power play ability. I think others can step into that role and not look out of place, Grzelcyk looked pretty damn good there when Krug was out. You’re right, it’s not 2011 anymore. Grzelcyk, Carlo, and Mcavoy all are capable of moving the puck at a high level and providing solid D.
If trading him helps bring back a real scoring winger the Bruins won't be a bottom 5 offense anymore.
I'm not questioning Krug's offensive skills or his heart, I'm just done with him being a train wreck in his own end. And it isn't just the turnovers, it is his inability (due to lack of size/strength) to move people away from the crease and keep them from screening his goaltender or tipping a shot into the net.
As much as I have no problem trading Krug (because he'll attract quality in return) not willing to do for a guy who's a pure rental. If Panarin is not a "sign and trade guy", who can walk after this year to test FA, then I'm not really into that.Unless that winger is an elite guy like a Panarin or Stone, the trade off of Krug for "random Top 6 winger" won't move the Bruins offense upward one little bit. It's likely to actually go down.
As much as I have no problem trading Krug (because he'll attract quality in return) not willing to do for a guy who's a pure rental. If Panarin is not a "sign and trade guy", who can walk after this year to test FA, then I'm not really into that.
What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?
That’s exactly what I want to see. Maybe Granlund wasn’t the best example? I don’t know if other teams value him as much though, which is why I gave a more realistic trade idea.And I'm just using those two as the caliber of player I'd need in return to compensate for the offense going out the door. If I'm moving Krug, even as part of a package, I need an elite forward coming back whose either coming with an extension or signed past this year for at least one season.
That’s exactly what I want to see. Maybe Granlund wasn’t the best example? I don’t know if other teams value him as much though, which is why I gave a more realistic trade idea.
That’s another reason I suggested Granlund, they have the same term and cap hit on their contract and they’re the same age. Look at Granlund’s Ozone starts in the last few years, they’re lower than Niederreiter’s. I think Granlund is being underrated.Yup, it would have to be a real impact forward. Problem is, you'd really have to find an fimpact forward whose a year or two away from UFA like Krug is for the value to be comparable for another team to want to make that deal. The other GM likely couldn't do it for an impact forward whose under contract for 3-4 years.
That’s another reason I suggested Granlund, they have the same term and cap hit on their contract and they’re the same age. Look at Granlund’s Ozone starts in the last few years, they’re lower than Niederreiter’s. I think Granlund is being underrated.