Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[Tampbear]

That would be awful, especially with the 2018-19 version of Chara. I think you are right, the Bruins could survive and thrive without Krug, but he would be missed, and I'd rather they not move him out. It may come to it if Krug is the player than can bring a talented goal scorer in, or if his contract demands look a little high, though. Charlie, if he stays healthy, can do some of what Krug does, and Grizz some, but neither of them have quite the amazing offensive skill set and vision and hands that Krug does.

I agree completely, Krug is a great player and a great teammate and would be missed on a number of levels, someone is going to need to be traded at some point and it's going to hurt for sure. Gryz is the other guy and I prefer Gryz of the two but both have a lot of value and could be replaced effectively if not completely. I don't know how all will fit going forward but I'm glad we are in such a position of strength that we can cover the loss of a great player like Krug or Gryz.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

At this point, my only complaint is Torey’s need to shoot a one timer directly into the out high shot blocker at least once every PP.

 

[CDJ]

Something that gets overlooked with Krug is that he elevates his play in the playoffs. He’s been an absolute stud in that environment.

Half the fan base seems to think he’s disposable. That’s just not the case. We’ll get rid of him and then we’ll all be crying about how we need a PMD like we did for years before getting him

 

[Mainehockey33]

Something that gets overlooked with Krug is that he elevates his play in the playoffs. He’s been an absolute stud in that environment.

Half the fan base seems to think he’s disposable. That’s just not the case. We’ll get rid of him and then we’ll all be crying about how we need a PMD like we did for years before getting him

I haven’t read one post saying we should throw Krug away.

 

[CDJ]

I haven’t read one post saying we should throw Krug away.

I’m more so talking about in general. You see it all the time on Twitter. He’s the first person offered up in a trade proposal most of the time. In reality I think the team looks at him as a core guy

 

[patty59]

I haven’t read one post saying we should throw Krug away.

Me either, I'm mostly seeing posts about how he's terrible in his own zone and downplaying his point production.

I've also seen a few people talking about how Grizz is somehow better than him? Or at least they'd rather him than Krug on the team?

It's crazy town that's for sure.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I’m more so talking about in general. You see it all the time on Twitter. He’s the first person offered up in a trade proposal most of the time. In reality I think the team looks at him as a core guy

I go back and forth on whether they should trade Krug or not. I think if it happens than they should wait until this summer. I just see his size and average skating to be a detriment in the playoffs unless he’s sheltered. That would probably mean trading or sitting Grzelcyk.

Me either, I'm mostly seeing posts about how he's terrible in his own zone and downplaying his point production.

I've also seen a few people talking about how Grizz is somehow better than him? Or at least they'd rather him than Krug on the team?

It's crazy town that's for sure.

I think there’s a big difference between talking about whether or not we should get an asset for Krug before potentially losing him for nothing. Advocating trading Krug for a top 6 winger is not discarding him, it’s using trading a player of value in a position that the team is deep in to fill a hole.

I haven’t seen people say Grzelcyk is better overall than Krug, but he’s definitely better defensively and could be argued on the transition as well. Grzelcyk plays it safe and doesn’t wow you with off the board passes like Krug but his ability to skate out of trouble is top notch. No one has said Grzelcyk is better offensively.

 

[Tampbear]

I go back and forth on whether they should trade Krug or not. I think if it happens than they should wait until this summer. I just see his size and average skating to be a detriment in the playoffs unless he’s sheltered. That would probably mean trading or sitting Grzelcyk.


I think there’s a big difference between talking about whether or not we should get an asset for Krug before potentially losing him for nothing. Advocating trading Krug for a top 6 winger is not discarding him, it’s using trading a player of value in a position that the team is deep in to fill a hole.

I haven’t seen people say Grzelcyk is better overall than Krug, but he’s definitely better defensively and could be argued on the transition as well. Grzelcyk plays it safe and doesn’t wow you with off the board passes like Krug but his ability to skate out of trouble is top notch. No one has said Grzelcyk is better offensively.

I will add that Gryz is more versatile being able to effectively play his off side and is going to cost a whole lot less than Krug, he certainly isn't anywhere close offensively but that doesn't mean it doesn't make more sense to keep him over Krug.

 

[rocketdan9]

Not sure if it was due to long break or speed + size was difficult to digest

But Krug was poor at the defensive end tonight. Sigh

Seems to usually happen against teams like this

 

[PB37]

Not sure if it was due to long break or speed + size was difficult to digest

But Krug was poor at the defensive end tonight. Sigh

Seems to usually happen against teams like this

What? Krug was excellent tonight. Another Bizzaro dan post.

 

[rocketdan9]

Poison and Medicine today

-awful sequence to lose the puck battle which led to game tying goal
-nice pass to Bergy on OT

Not a fan of Krug and Miller pairing. Both can be shaky at the wrong times at the defensive end

 

[Latrappe]

The Krug evaluation really depend of the angle that you analyze his game. I'm a dinosaur when it becomes to D-Man and while the game has changed a lot, i still think that a D-man need to take care of his own end first before trying to be the next Paul Coffee. Balance is always the key so i'm more appreciative of a player like Grcelzik because he's more responsible in his own end. Last year, Krug cost us a couple of goals; especially vs Tampa and quite frankly, you can't without sound defense in playoffs. In my book, Krug has a lot of offensive upside but, at some point, with a player like Grcelzik, who show consistent improvement, a decision will need to be made about Krug's future.

 

[BruinDust]

The Krug evaluation really depend of the angle that you analyze his game. I'm a dinosaur when it becomes to D-Man and while the game has changed a lot, i still think that a D-man need to take care of his own end first before trying to be the next Paul Coffee. Balance is always the key so i'm more appreciative of a player like Grcelzik because he's more responsible in his own end. Last year, Krug cost us a couple of goals; especially vs Tampa and quite frankly, you can't without sound defense in playoffs. In my book, Krug has a lot of offensive upside but, at some point, with a player like Grcelzik, who show consistent improvement, a decision will need to be made about Krug's future.

On a team with a lot more scoring depth up front, maybe you can move a Krug. But Krug, along with 46/37/63/88 WERE the Bruins offense in the month of January, accounting for 60% of their Goals/Assists. The Bruins are a bottom 5 offensive team, without Krug they are likely the worst offensive team in the NHL this season. You can't win in the playoffs anymore without offense.

 

[13Hockey]

 

[Mainehockey33]

On a team with a lot more scoring depth up front, maybe you can move a Krug. But Krug, along with 46/37/63/88 WERE the Bruins offense in the month of January, accounting for 60% of their Goals/Assists. The Bruins are a bottom 5 offensive team, without Krug they are likely the worst offensive team in the NHL this season. You can't win in the playoffs anymore without offense.

I think the point of trading Krug would be to get a top 6 player with term to replace his offense. A guy like Granlund would be the type of player I’d trade Krug for.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I think the point of trading Krug would be to get a top 6 player with term to replace his offense. A guy like Granlund would be the type of player I’d trade Krug for.

Yes, let's trade a top 5 scoring D and elite PP weapon for a forward who has never outscored said defender.

BTW, 40 points a year is not close to a top 6 forward

 

[BMC]

The Krug evaluation really depend of the angle that you analyze his game. I'm a dinosaur when it becomes to D-Man and while the game has changed a lot, i still think that a D-man need to take care of his own end first before trying to be the next Paul Coffee. Balance is always the key so i'm more appreciative of a player like Grcelzik because he's more responsible in his own end. Last year, Krug cost us a couple of goals; especially vs Tampa and quite frankly, you can't without sound defense in playoffs. In my book, Krug has a lot of offensive upside but, at some point, with a player like Grcelzik, who show consistent improvement, a decision will need to be made about Krug's future.

I agree 100% with your assessment. Either Krug cannot or will not learn to play responsible defense in his own end and I don't see the benefit of his offensive skills helping the team score 50 goals when his defensive deficiencies help the team give up 55.

Great to see you posting again!

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yes, let's trade a top 5 scoring D and elite PP weapon for a forward who has never outscored said defender.

BTW, 40 points a year is not close to a top 6 forward

40 points? Granlund is on pace for 66 points this year and scored 67 and 69 in the previous two seasons, out scoring Krug. 2014-15 and 2015-16 Krug and Granlund had the same point totals. I think you’re thinking of a different player.

 

[UncleRico]

Something that gets overlooked with Krug is that he elevates his play in the playoffs. He’s been an absolute stud in that environment.

Half the fan base seems to think he’s disposable. That’s just not the case. We’ll get rid of him and then we’ll all be crying about how we need a PMD like we did for years before getting him

He was an absolute disaster defensively in the playoffs last year. He was 3rd among all defenders in last years playoffs in even strength on ice goals against.

And he played two less playoff series than many defenders.

 

[UncleRico]

What? Krug was excellent tonight. Another Bizzaro dan post.

He played great offensively but was probably just as bad defensively.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Not sure what the problem is with acknowledging that krug is horrible on defense and elite on offense.
For me, if I have to choose between a 60 pt defenseman or a 60 pt forward, i’d Choose the forward and prefer to have someone on defense that can actually play, you know, defense.

It’s all about how you like to build your team I guess. I like krug, he’s all heart and I love that about him. I like to have him on the bruins but if I can trade him for a forward with a similar output, I don’t think twice. And yes, gryz is better defensively.

 

[BruinDust]

I think the point of trading Krug would be to get a top 6 player with term to replace his offense. A guy like Granlund would be the type of player I’d trade Krug for.

Your not going to be able to replace his offense with just by adding a Top 6 winger, because you have to factor in his impact on the offense that other lines do provide from time to time.

Krug is a critical piece of this years team, both 5 on 5 and on the PP. You'd have to be blown away by an offer to deal him at this current juncture. I'd need two top 6 wingers in exchange, not just one.

 

[BruinDust]

I agree 100% with your assessment. Either Krug cannot or will not learn to play responsible defense in his own end and I don't see the benefit of his offensive skills helping the team score 50 goals when his defensive deficiencies help the team give up 55.

Great to see you posting again!

Wow what a terrible assessment of Krug's game.

I don't care what his +/- is, he adds way more to the offense of this team than he hurts them in terms of goals-against that you can pin on his play.

The guy missed a stick check yesterday that directly resulted in a goal against and out come the pitch-forks claiming the guy is a sieve defensively, which isn't the case.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Your not going to be able to replace his offense with just by adding a Top 6 winger, because you have to factor in his impact on the offense that other lines do provide from time to time.

Krug is a critical piece of this years team, both 5 on 5 and on the PP. You'd have to be blown away by an offer to deal him at this current juncture. I'd need two top 6 wingers in exchange, not just one.

I know it’s highly unlikely he’s moved during the season, but I think getting a 60 point winger and replacing Krug with a defenseman who’s stronger on D would put them in a better spot for the playoffs. Look at the beginning of the year when Krug was injured; the Bergeron line was on fire as the best line in the NHL and Krejci was playing better than he had in years even though he didn’t have much help on his line.

I think teams like Tampa can exploit Krug in the playoffs, especially if he’s paired with someone as shakey as Miller. Playing Tampa on home ice means Stamkos and Kutch will see significant ice time against them.

 

[BruinDust]

I know it’s highly unlikely he’s moved during the season, but I think getting a 60 point winger and replacing Krug with a defenseman who’s stronger on D would put them in a better spot for the playoffs. Look at the beginning of the year when Krug was injured; the Bergeron line was on fire as the best line in the NHL and Krejci was playing better than he had in years even though he didn’t have much help on his line.

I think teams like Tampa can exploit Krug in the playoffs, especially if he’s paired with someone as shakey as Miller. Playing Tampa on home ice means Stamkos and Kutch will see significant ice time against them.

No sorry, it wouldn't. He doesn't get exploited in the playoffs, another myth about Torey Krug. But your right about one thing, having Miller with him makes his job harder. We saw it last year in the playoffs, losing Carlo as his partner forced Krug to handle the puck more, get more touches, etc. D-men are going to get hit, it's inevitable. The more touches, the more hits you take. The more touches, the more fatigue is a factor. With Carlo some of the puck-moving responsibility is taken off Krug, and you get more out of him because of it.

This team has almost zero offense coming from it's back end. Can't win like that either.

Torey Krug is a core piece of this year's team. Like it or not.

You can't just shift Krug out for a any random "Top 6" winger and expect it won't have a negative impact on the teams offense. If you move Krug out, that winger coming back HAS to be a true top end guy, think Panarin, or Stone. Guys like Granlund (whose overrated) or Coyle, or Kreider, etc. aren't going to cut it if your losing what Krug brings.