Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[World of Wardlow]

Torey's a really good offensive defenseman, but he's such a huge liability on defense. He was horrendous yesterday, and cost the bruins 2 goals.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I agree 100% with your assessment. Either Krug cannot or will not learn to play responsible defense in his own end and I don't see the benefit of his offensive skills helping the team score 50 goals when his defensive deficiencies help the team give up 55.

Great to see you posting again!

Well, lucky for the Bruins, he's helped the Bruins score 37 total goals so far. He's been a primary factor (G or first A) on 24 of them. He's been on the ice for a total of 66 GF (goals for) and 42 GA (goals against).

And breaking that down a little further to 5v5 play, he's factored in on 10 goals, been a primary factor on 9 of them, and has been on the ice for 28 GF and 22 GA. His 22 GA places him behind just Carlo for total GA, and his GA/60 of 1.83 is 3rd best on the team behind Carlo (1.5 GA/60) and Grzelcyk (1.67 GA/6o). Not bad for the defensive sieve Krug!

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Well, lucky for the Bruins, he's helped the Bruins score 37 total goals so far. He's been a primary factor (G or first A) on 24 of them. He's been on the ice for a total of 66 GF (goals for) and 42 GA (goals against).

And breaking that down a little further to 5v5 play, he's factored in on 10 goals, been a primary factor on 9 of them, and has been on the ice for 28 GF and 22 GA. His 22 GA places him behind just Carlo for total GA, and his GA/60 of 1.83 is 3rd best on the team behind Carlo (1.5 GA/60) and Grzelcyk (1.67 GA/6o). Not bad for the defensive sieve Krug!

Go away with your logic...

You're supposed to just overreact to yesterday's game. And prove the existence of confirmation bias

 

[Mainehockey33]

No sorry, it wouldn't. He doesn't get exploited in the playoffs, another myth about Torey Krug. But your right about one thing, having Miller with him makes his job harder. We saw it last year in the playoffs, losing Carlo as his partner forced Krug to handle the puck more, get more touches, etc. D-men are going to get hit, it's inevitable. The more touches, the more hits you take. The more touches, the more fatigue is a factor. With Carlo some of the puck-moving responsibility is taken off Krug, and you get more out of him because of it.

This team has almost zero offense coming from it's back end. Can't win like that either.

Torey Krug is a core piece of this year's team. Like it or not.

You can't just shift Krug out for a any random "Top 6" winger and expect it won't have a negative impact on the teams offense. If you move Krug out, that winger coming back HAS to be a true top end guy, think Panarin, or Stone. Guys like Granlund (whose overrated) or Coyle, or Kreider, etc. aren't going to cut it if your losing what Krug brings.

You’re right that Krug was better with Carlo, and maybe they go back to that pairing and it works.

It’s not a myth that Krug got exploited in the playoffs last season, it’s a fact. He was aweful. I guess because he put up good numbers offensively some people overlook how bad he was defensively? If Krug is making a mistake that costs a goal against for every point he produces, is his offense really that impactful? I’d rather have a two-way defenseman that you don’t need to shelter in order to be affective in the playoffs.

There was no Krug in 2011, the closest thing was Kaberle and he wasn’t as good as Krug offensively. Just a bunch of really good two-way defensemen that could do a little of everything.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Go away with your logic...

You're supposed to just overreact to yesterday's game

I was away long enough! I love when people reference Krug being a minus player this year. When will people realize that he's only a minus player because he's been on the ice for 8 GA on the PP. That's a -8 right off the bat, with no way to make it up on the PP (since you don't get a "+" for GF on the PP). And until someone can prove to me that he was the direct reason for the 8 GA on the PP, save me the "HE WAS ON THE ICE FOR 8 GOALS AGAINST ON THE PP OMG THAT'S TERRIBLE!!!" like he's the only one on the ice or something.

 

[BruinDust]

Well, lucky for the Bruins, he's helped the Bruins score 37 total goals so far. He's been a primary factor (G or first A) on 24 of them. He's been on the ice for a total of 66 GF (goals for) and 42 GA (goals against).

And breaking that down a little further to 5v5 play, he's factored in on 10 goals, been a primary factor on 9 of them, and has been on the ice for 28 GF and 22 GA. His 22 GA places him behind just Carlo for total GA, and his GA/60 of 1.83 is 3rd best on the team behind Carlo (1.5 GA/60) and Grzelcyk (1.67 GA/6o). Not bad for the defensive sieve Krug!

You know what I don't get about the criticism Krug gets around here.

The Bruins are one of the best defensive team's in the league. They are this year, they were last year.

And this is with Torey Krug as part of the team.

Meanwhile this team has difficulty scoring. They had trouble scoring last year (outside of one hot streak) and they are even worse this year.

What do people want exactly? For a top defensive team to be even better defensively? Because you still have to put the puck in the net at the other end. Torey Krug is one of the 5 best offensive players on this team. Period.

The Bruins (or any team) are going to win a best-of-7 playoff series winning 4 games 2-1 or 3-2 in today's league. It's not happening.

 

[BruinDust]

You’re right that Krug was better with Carlo, and maybe they go back to that pairing and it works.

It’s not a myth that Krug got exploited in the playoffs last season, it’s a fact. He was aweful. I guess because he put up good numbers offensively some people overlook how bad he was defensively? If Krug is making a mistake that costs a goal against for every point he produces, is his offense really that impactful? I’d rather have a two-way defenseman that you don’t need to shelter in order to be affective in the playoffs.

There was no Krug in 2011, the closest thing was Kaberle and he wasn’t as good as Krug offensively. Just a bunch of really good two-way defensemen that could do a little of everything.

He doesn't cost you a goal for every point he produces. Thats a pile of BS and you know it.

And it's not 2011 anymore. The NHL game isn't played like that anymore, sorry to break it to you.

 

[BMC]

Wow what a terrible assessment of Krug's game.

I don't care what his +/- is, he adds way more to the offense of this team than he hurts them in terms of goals-against that you can pin on his play.

The guy missed a stick check yesterday that directly resulted in a goal against and out come the pitch-forks claiming the guy is a sieve defensively, which isn't the case.

He is a sieve defensively and that missed stick check yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me. Include him in a trade for a top 6 forward and put Vaakainen or Lauzon in his spot.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

He is a sieve defensively and that missed stick check yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me. Include him in a trade for a top 6 forward and put Vaakainen or Lauzon in his spot.

He's really not though..... You include him in a trade for a Top 6 forward, the offense and PP will take a massive hit. Lauzon/Vaakanainen are not even close to being good enough offensively to make up for what he brings back there, and neither are PP QB's.

 

[BruinDust]

He is a sieve defensively and that missed stick check yesterday was the final nail in the coffin for me. Include him in a trade for a top 6 forward and put Vaakainen or Lauzon in his spot.

Top 3 Defensive team in the league with Torey Krug and that's not good enough for you? Your aiming for No.1 Defensively while seeing their Bottom 5 offense become a last place offense?

 

[Mainehockey33]

He doesn't cost you a goal for every point he produces. Thats a pile of BS and you know it.

And it's not 2011 anymore. The NHL game isn't played like that anymore, sorry to break it to you.

What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?

 

[BruinDust]

What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?

I didn't realize Justin Schultz was a rock defensively. He's no better than Torey Krug at defending, yet Pittsburgh won two cups with him and recently. I don't really care about anything past the past 3-4 years. Before that was a drastically different game.

And if you look at the past 3-4 cup winners, there is really no common denominator in how to build a cup winning D-corps in terms of skill-sets or how their minutes are allocated.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I didn't realize Justin Schultz was a rock defensively. He's no better than Torey Krug at defending, yet Pittsburgh won two cups with him and recently. I don't really care about anything past the past 3-4 years. Before that was a drastically different game.

And if you look at the past 3-4 cup winners, there is really no common denominator in how to build a cup winning D-corps in terms of skill-sets or how their minutes are allocated.

I guess we just disagree that Grzelcyk or Mcavoy could play the powerplay. They won’t put up as many points as Krug but a 60+ point winger that comes back in my hypothetical trade more then makes up for those points.

Krug is a power play specialist, every arguement for him is hinged on his power play ability. I think others can step into that role and not look out of place, Grzelcyk looked pretty damn good there when Krug was out. You’re right, it’s not 2011 anymore. Grzelcyk, Carlo, and Mcavoy all are capable of moving the puck at a high level and providing solid D.

 

[BMC]

Top 3 Defensive team in the league with Torey Krug and that's not good enough for you? Your aiming for No.1 Defensively while seeing their Bottom 5 offense become a last place offense?

If trading him helps bring back a real scoring winger the Bruins won't be a bottom 5 offense anymore.

I'm not questioning Krug's offensive skills or his heart, I'm just done with him being a train wreck in his own end. And it isn't just the turnovers, it is his inability (due to lack of size/strength) to move people away from the crease and keep them from screening his goaltender or tipping a shot into the net.

 

[BruinDust]

I guess we just disagree that Grzelcyk or Mcavoy could play the powerplay. They won’t put up as many points as Krug but a 60+ point winger that comes back in my hypothetical trade more then makes up for those points.

Krug is a power play specialist, every arguement for him is hinged on his power play ability. I think others can step into that role and not look out of place, Grzelcyk looked pretty damn good there when Krug was out. You’re right, it’s not 2011 anymore. Grzelcyk, Carlo, and Mcavoy all are capable of moving the puck at a high level and providing solid D.

You say that like that 60 point winger isn't putting up any of those point on the PP. Conversely, Torey Krug doesn't just put up points on the PP.

In the last two seasons alone, he's scored 19 goals and 78 assists. 12 of his 19 goals came at Even-strength.

If you look at his assist totals, last year when the Bruins were a better overall offensive team, he scored 26 assist at EV, 19 on the PP.

This year, because the Bruins have next to no secondary scoring up front, his assist totals are more skewed towards the PP (22 PP assist vs. 11 EV assists). So EV assist numbers going down is a by-product of a forward group with very little talent and next to no ability to score off the rush outside of the Bergeron line.

What we disagree on is him being a PP specialist.

 

[BruinDust]

If trading him helps bring back a real scoring winger the Bruins won't be a bottom 5 offense anymore.

I'm not questioning Krug's offensive skills or his heart, I'm just done with him being a train wreck in his own end. And it isn't just the turnovers, it is his inability (due to lack of size/strength) to move people away from the crease and keep them from screening his goaltender or tipping a shot into the net.

Unless that winger is an elite guy like a Panarin or Stone, the trade off of Krug for "random Top 6 winger" won't move the Bruins offense upward one little bit. It's likely to actually go down.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Unless that winger is an elite guy like a Panarin or Stone, the trade off of Krug for "random Top 6 winger" won't move the Bruins offense upward one little bit. It's likely to actually go down.

As much as I have no problem trading Krug (because he'll attract quality in return) not willing to do for a guy who's a pure rental. If Panarin is not a "sign and trade guy", who can walk after this year to test FA, then I'm not really into that.

 

[BruinDust]

As much as I have no problem trading Krug (because he'll attract quality in return) not willing to do for a guy who's a pure rental. If Panarin is not a "sign and trade guy", who can walk after this year to test FA, then I'm not really into that.

And I'm just using those two as the caliber of player I'd need in return to compensate for the offense going out the door. If I'm moving Krug, even as part of a package, I need an elite forward coming back whose either coming with an extension or signed past this year for at least one season.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

What Stanley Cup winner in the last 10 years has had a power play specialist on defense like Krug?

John Carlson

15-53-68
32 PP points
+/- of 0

Looks a lot like Krug's numbers to me.

Also this is a team with zero scoring depth...why are you looking to trade the 4th best scorer on the team

 

[774EVER]

Too bad the NHL doesn't have a DH position like in baseball. Would be cool if they could designate a spot for a 7th D or a 13th forward that is a PP or PK specialist. In the Bruins case John Moore can play the majority of the game, 5-5 and then role out Krug for the Power Plays.

Could also be used if a player gets injured considering that the NHL is the only one of the major sports the doesn't allow an injured player to be replaced by another player.

 

[Mainehockey33]

And I'm just using those two as the caliber of player I'd need in return to compensate for the offense going out the door. If I'm moving Krug, even as part of a package, I need an elite forward coming back whose either coming with an extension or signed past this year for at least one season.

That’s exactly what I want to see. Maybe Granlund wasn’t the best example? I don’t know if other teams value him as much though, which is why I gave a more realistic trade idea.

 

[BruinDust]

That’s exactly what I want to see. Maybe Granlund wasn’t the best example? I don’t know if other teams value him as much though, which is why I gave a more realistic trade idea.

Yup, it would have to be a real impact forward. Problem is, you'd really have to find an fimpact forward whose a year or two away from UFA like Krug is for the value to be comparable for another team to want to make that deal. The other GM likely couldn't do it for an impact forward whose under contract for 3-4 years.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yup, it would have to be a real impact forward. Problem is, you'd really have to find an fimpact forward whose a year or two away from UFA like Krug is for the value to be comparable for another team to want to make that deal. The other GM likely couldn't do it for an impact forward whose under contract for 3-4 years.

That’s another reason I suggested Granlund, they have the same term and cap hit on their contract and they’re the same age. Look at Granlund’s Ozone starts in the last few years, they’re lower than Niederreiter’s. I think Granlund is being underrated.

 

[BruinDust]

That’s another reason I suggested Granlund, they have the same term and cap hit on their contract and they’re the same age. Look at Granlund’s Ozone starts in the last few years, they’re lower than Niederreiter’s. I think Granlund is being underrated.

I've never been a fan of Granlund to be honest, he's a very good two-way play-making winger, but a bit of a big fish in a small pond that is Minnesota Wild forwards. I don't see a game-breaking level talent in him the level I would consider moving Krug. I'd also want a guy who skews more towards the goal-scoring side than the play-making side if I'm losing Krug.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Granlunds basically a poor teams Loui Eriksson in his prime