Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[PB37]

Krug had been fantastic at both ends of the ice for a good stretch until that bad game. Some people only want to see the bad however, and that's unfortunate.

 

[Latrappe]

Wow what a terrible assessment of Krug's game.

I don't care what his +/- is, he adds way more to the offense of this team than he hurts them in terms of goals-against that you can pin on his play.

The guy missed a stick check yesterday that directly resulted in a goal against and out come the pitch-forks claiming the guy is a sieve defensively, which isn't the case.

Who talk about last game? Krug body of work scream that he's prone to defensive miscues and costly one, at times. I'm not sure what's wrong to say that and not sure how it's wrong to ask a D-man to take care of his own end first. Like it or not, the game is tighter in the playoffs and you rarely see a game with a final score of 7-6. You like Krug, i get it. You like his offensive upside? Got it too. Roster are always changing depending of your evaluation in a particular time frame. Krug might stay with Boston for plenty of time but i have the feeling that they will move him for the right deal; especially with McAvoy in the fold.

 

[PB37]

I guess we just disagree that Grzelcyk or Mcavoy could play the powerplay. They won’t put up as many points as Krug but a 60+ point winger that comes back in my hypothetical trade more then makes up for those points.

Krug is a power play specialist, every arguement for him is hinged on his power play ability. I think others can step into that role and not look out of place, Grzelcyk looked pretty damn good there when Krug was out. You’re right, it’s not 2011 anymore. Grzelcyk, Carlo, and Mcavoy all are capable of moving the puck at a high level and providing solid D.

- krug is more than a PP specialist. Since he's been in the league, he's 19th in ESP ( 4th in PPP )

- 2011 was an anomaly. That should not be used as a blueprint or example of how to win a Cup.

- Grz and Carlo don't have the offensive chops that Krug has. Not even close. Out of the mentioned names, only McAvoy has the potential to hit 60ish points like Krug

- In another post of yours, you called Krug's performance in last year's playoffs as awful. I have no idea what playoffs you were watching. Krug was one of our best players.

 

[Pia8988]

Krug will never be appreciated widely by Bruins fans. Every year there is a new LHD that can come in and do what he does. Every year Krug puts up even more points.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

Krug is fantastic

 

[Tampbear]

I wish we could be less polarized about Torey. He is our best offensive D far and away but probably the worst in the other end. We would absolutely lose something if we lost him, doesn't mean it can't be the right decision for the team. No one guy will replace his offense out back, but we could be a better balanced team. I don't see why people are so he has to go or he has to stay, guy has a lot of skill and weaknesses playing the position we are deepest at.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I wish we could be less polarized about Torey. He is our best offensive D far and away but probably the worst in the other end. We would absolutely lose something if we lost him, doesn't mean it can't be the right decision for the team. No one guy will replace his offense out back, but we could be a better balanced team. I don't see why people are so he has to go or he has to stay, guy has a lot of skill and weaknesses playing the position we are deepest at.

its pretty simple...

League wide, the Bruins are:

3rd in GA
16th in GF

Guess where the team need is

 

[TwineTickler]

Can we get a poll going regarding Toreys situation?

UFA in Summer 2020. He will be 29. Fantastic offensive D. Train wreck defensively. We have a similar undersized D in Gryz who is way better defensively, but not as good offensively, but IMO has upside if given opportunity/minutes. We currently have Vaak, Lauzon, who look to be ready on the left side, and either Moore/Gryz currently alternating sitting on the big club. Chara, will most likely not be back (at least my assumption/hope) so that creates one opening.

I have been very clear I don't want to see him extended and would like him dealt. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it most likely won't happen prior to the deadline this year, and I'm starting to wonder what DS and co. are thinking about doing with him. Krug will fetch something nice, because while he has warts, he is dynamic offensively and on the PP. Thoughts?

If we do a poll maybe options are as follows:

Trade Krug before deadline
Trade Krug in Summer 2019
Trade Krug prior to deadline in Spring 2020
Don't trade Krug and resign him to big money deal or potentially lose him for nothing

 

[JoeIsAStud]

UFA in Summer 2020. He will be 29. Fantastic offensive D. Train wreck defensively. We have a similar undersized D in Gryz who is way better defensively, but not as good offensively, but IMO has upside if given opportunity/minutes. We currently have Vaak, Lauzon, who look to be ready on the left side, and either Moore/Gryz currently alternating sitting on the big club. Chara, will most likely not be back (at least my assumption/hope) so that creates one opening.

I have been very clear I don't want to see him extended and would like him dealt. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it most likely won't happen prior to the deadline this year, and I'm starting to wonder what DS and co. are thinking about doing with him. Krug will fetch something nice, because while he has warts, he is dynamic offensively and on the PP. Thoughts?

I don't agree that he is a train wreck defensively; although he is limited. I do agree Gryz is better defensively (although he has some significant limits as well , very easily overpowered)

I also don't agree that Gryz has some great offfensive upside. He is extremely limited, mostly because his shot is terrible.

I think Krug would have tremendous trade value if Boston were to decide to deal him. He'd be the 4th most valuable player available if the Bruins shopped him this week (behind Stone and Duchene, Panarin) . That said, I don't expect the Bruins will deal him. He is a key guy on the ice and in the locker room. I expect he will be extended for 4-5 seasons

 

[rocketdan9]

Can we get a poll going regarding Toreys situation?

UFA in Summer 2020. He will be 29. Fantastic offensive D. Train wreck defensively. We have a similar undersized D in Gryz who is way better defensively, but not as good offensively, but IMO has upside if given opportunity/minutes. We currently have Vaak, Lauzon, who look to be ready on the left side, and either Moore/Gryz currently alternating sitting on the big club. Chara, will most likely not be back (at least my assumption/hope) so that creates one opening.

I have been very clear I don't want to see him extended and would like him dealt. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it most likely won't happen prior to the deadline this year, and I'm starting to wonder what DS and co. are thinking about doing with him. Krug will fetch something nice, because while he has warts, he is dynamic offensively and on the PP. Thoughts?

If we do a poll maybe options are as follows:

Trade Krug before deadline
Trade Krug in Summer 2019
Trade Krug prior to deadline in Spring 2020
Don't trade Krug and resign him to big money deal or potentially lose him for nothing

I think it will highly depend on what happens in the playoffs this season

If Krug is a liability on defense, he will be traded in the offseason

 

[arider1990]

Can we get a poll going regarding Toreys situation?

UFA in Summer 2020. He will be 29. Fantastic offensive D. Train wreck defensively. We have a similar undersized D in Gryz who is way better defensively, but not as good offensively, but IMO has upside if given opportunity/minutes. We currently have Vaak, Lauzon, who look to be ready on the left side, and either Moore/Gryz currently alternating sitting on the big club. Chara, will most likely not be back (at least my assumption/hope) so that creates one opening.

I have been very clear I don't want to see him extended and would like him dealt. It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it most likely won't happen prior to the deadline this year, and I'm starting to wonder what DS and co. are thinking about doing with him. Krug will fetch something nice, because while he has warts, he is dynamic offensively and on the PP. Thoughts?

If we do a poll maybe options are as follows:

Trade Krug before deadline
Trade Krug in Summer 2019
Trade Krug prior to deadline in Spring 2020
Don't trade Krug and resign him to big money deal or potentially lose him for nothing

I can see him being traded during the draft to recoup a first rounder. I also think that what RocketDan said will also play a huge part in the decision.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Can we stop the Krug is a liability on defense false narrative?

Is he prime Chara back there? Obviously no.

But league wide he is average defensively. Not great, not terrible, just is

 

[duffy]

Can we stop the Krug is a liability on defense false narrative?

Is he prime Chara back there? Obviously no.

But league wide he is average defensively. Not great, not terrible, just is

While he is not McQuade or Miller brutal at puck movement from his own end his Defencive IQ is below par! He is extremely light and easy to push off pucks and for sure his plus is PP IQ which seems off the charts at times. I believe if traded the returning player would make up some of his points and the other D like Mac, Moore, and Gryz could make up the rest. Not having to worry about short handed breakaways would probably help the goaltenders sanity also.I am hoping that Chara and Miller are both gone before TC next Sept and some of our PB defenceman take their spots.

 

[UncleRico]

Can we stop the Krug is a liability on defense false narrative?

Is he prime Chara back there? Obviously no.

But league wide he is average defensively. Not great, not terrible, just is

He is without a doubt below average defensively. Not even debatable. It’s just that his offense outweighs his defense.

There’s a reason he is incredibly protected in defensive situations and has one of the lowest quality of competition against for a guy who gets top 4 minutes defensively.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

He is so, so, so good offensively. Every game he makes ridiculous plays look routine. When you have that kind elite talent, you hold on tight. You don't trade him for some run of the mill "top six forward".

 

[Mainehockey33]

Here's a hypothetical. If you had the choice, would you trade Krug and the 1st at this years draft to move into the top 10? How about top 15?

I'm not saying it's even realistic, I'm just curious what people think. Could be a way to draft a future 1st line center.

 

[arider1990]

Here's a hypothetical. If you had the choice, would you trade Krug and the 1st at this years draft to move into the top 10? How about top 15?

I'm not saying it's even realistic, I'm just curious what people think. Could be a way to draft a future 1st line center.

I think that if the Ottawa pick that Colorado owns doesn't end up being a top 2 pick I think you can try and see if they would give it up for Krug.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I think that if the Ottawa pick that Colorado owns doesn't end up being a top 2 pick I think you can try and see if they would give it up for Krug.

I can't see them giving up Ottawas pick for Krug and a late 1st. I'd be all for it though.

 

[prizminferno]

if you can get anything resembling a 1st for Krug at his cap hit and one year left you take it

 

[arider1990]

I can't see them giving up Ottawas pick for Krug and a late 1st. I'd be all for it though.

I think that if they feel that none of the prospects after Hughes and Kappo are going to have an impact within a couple of years they may decide to try and get a player that would help them now and a late 1st that could be used to move up with theirs.

 

[DominicT]

Here's a hypothetical. If you had the choice, would you trade Krug and the 1st at this years draft to move into the top 10? How about top 15?

I'm not saying it's even realistic, I'm just curious what people think. Could be a way to draft a future 1st line center.

I'd wait until draft day and see how it plays out. Have talks with teams before hand so that when you make the phone call, you can pull the trigger if you want to.

There's a kid in Ryan Suzuki, who is number 1 center material (better then his brother Nick - and there's a Habs angle there) who is dropping and every major independent scouting service has him in the 20's now. Bob McKenzie had him 12th in January and he's dropped there also. He's not even the top ranked OHL'er on Central's list either (although I don't understand them having Thomas Harley at the top).

If he drops as much as most scouting services predict, this could easily be another David Pastrnak situation.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'd wait until draft day and see how it plays out. Have talks with teams before hand so that when you make the phone call, you can pull the trigger if you want to.

There's a kid in Ryan Suzuki, who is number 1 center material (better then his brother Nick - and there's a Habs angle there) who is dropping and every major independent scouting service has him in the 20's now. Bob McKenzie had him 12th in January and he's dropped there also. He's not even the top ranked OHL'er on Central's list either (although I don't understand them having Thomas Harley at the top).

If he drops as much as most scouting services predict, this could easily be another David Pastrnak situation.

Interesting, he's listed as 10th on TSN's list. Of course we could get lucky again and get a Pastrnak like pick with the late 1st, but it's not a guarantee. Looks like there are quite a few centers 10-20 that would be nice pickups. I guess it depends on who the scouting staff likes and where they think he'll go.

 

[DominicT]

Interesting, he's listed as 10th on TSN's list. Of course we could get lucky again and get a Pastrnak like pick with the late 1st, but it's not a guarantee. Looks like there are quite a few centers 10-20 that would be nice pickups. I guess it depends on who the scouting staff likes and where they think he'll go.

No, the draft is never a guarantee. Neither is trading Krug + a first to move up. Unless you are getting Hughes.

 

[bearcountry17]

Krug is a +10 goal differential at even strength. The Bruins have allowed the 2nd least goals 5on5. They are more than getting by using him the way they do.

This guy is 2nd in the league in PP assists despite missing 11 games. There is almost zero chance this team has the second best PP in the league without Krug. The only team above us is the Lightning. There is almost zero chance we win that series without at the very least coming out even in the special teams battle and guess which teams has the #1 PK in the league.

Krug is a complete x factor for the Bruins. The PP is good enough to win a series and will keep other teams honest. No one is going to want to be the guy who puts that group on the ice in a meaningful game. And that's more of a deterrent than any tough guy can bring.

 

[prizminferno]

He's gonna walk for free the year after next, are you ok with that?