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Well, it can definitely be argued that Perron is a better asset than Balcers.
Can you argue that please? I'd like to read.
Well, it can definitely be argued that Perron is a better asset than Balcers.
Can you argue that please? I'd like to read.
Okay.
Francis Perron is 22. In his last junior season, he put up 108 points in 62 games. After the draft, he joined a farm team that was in shambles, and struggled, but since moving to a Tier-A organization, has found his game and has scored 27 points in 28 games.
Rudolfs Balcers is 21 years old. In his last junior season, he scored 77 points in 66 games. After the draft, he joined a Tier-A organization and had a very good rookie AHL season, scoring 48 points in 67 games. In his second year, though, he's seemingly plateaued and is on pace for around 50 points in 70 games. So far, he's scored one less point than Perron, but he's played in 8 more games.
But really, I don't think either will ever be an NHL regular. They're inconsequential pieces of the trade.
Thanks! Pretty convenient that you don't mention goals at all in your post though... The way I see it Perron is on pace to score 20 goals and put up his best point totals yet in his 3rd AHL season. Balcers is, like you said, 1 year younger and put up 20+ goals in his rookie AHL season, and should put up 20+ goals again in his sophomore season barring injury, on a worse team than the one he was on last season. Do you think Perron has what it takes to be an NHLer despite what he showed in his pre-season games with us (I found him to be pretty underwhelming considering he was one of my fav prospects back in the day) and his unwillingness to go in the dirty areas and the fact that he's not in the top tier of skaters and speed (meaning it will be difficult for him to overcome his small stature)?
Oh ya, no doubt that what you said here is 100% true. And yes adding Perron as a “throw in” was dumb. He was a top player in the QMJHL and was a project with Ottawa who still had potential, so they should of held on to him for longer.Well, it can definitely be argued that Perron is a better asset than Balcers. It can also be argued that Demelo and Tierney are not pieces for the rebuild, but rather, filler for the next couple of years who will leave by the time we're ready to compete.
So when you break it down, the return of the "most important trade for this rebuild", as Dorion mentioned, is Josh Norris and what projects to be a 1st round pick in the 20's.
Not great.
It's also been widely speculated that Dorion got stuck on the idea of "6 pieces" and passed on offers that were lower in quantity, but higher in quality. When was the last time quality for quantity worked out, for anyone?
Yeah Balcers will be an NHLer, Perron will not. I'm no scout (though that would be fun) but I'm pretty sure of that. Balcers has MacArthur-lite potential imo. Perron will probably be like Varone. Very good AHLer who gets a few cups of coffee in the NHL but doesn't stick.
I've been out of town since Balcers was called up and haven't seen any of his games. I did see the replay of his goal. How do people feel about how he's looked so far?
Well, it can definitely be argued that Perron is a better asset than Balcers. It can also be argued that Demelo and Tierney are not pieces for the rebuild, but rather, filler for the next couple of years who will leave by the time we're ready to compete.
So when you break it down, the return of the "most important trade for this rebuild", as Dorion mentioned, is Josh Norris and what projects to be a 1st round pick in the 20's.
Not great.
It's also been widely speculated that Dorion got stuck on the idea of "6 pieces" and passed on offers that were lower in quantity, but higher in quality. When was the last time quality for quantity worked out, for anyone?
You can break things down many different ways, some of them make more sense than others. Tierney and DeMelo are legitimate nhl players. Giveh their ages, both look to me like they'll be playing in this league for another 5 or more years. You cannot just waive your hand and dismiss them because it suits your point of view. Well actually i suppose you can because you did.
The book won't be closed on this deal for quite some time.
But keep on trucking with your negative takes
You can break things down many different ways, some of them make more sense than others. Tierney and DeMelo are legitimate nhl players. Giveh their ages, both look to me like they'll be playing in this league for another 5 or more years. You cannot just waive your hand and dismiss them because it suits your point of view. Well actually i suppose you can because you did.
The book won't be closed on this deal for quite some time.
But keep on trucking with your negative takes
Wow, I did not realise how young Dorion is... Oh Em Gee. Makes a lot of sense now.
He has been working in the NHL since he was 21/22, pretty crazy
Not that difficult when his father was already in the league. NHL is still like that.
Just no. He’s the worst GM in the league by a huge margin. Only an idiot would have thought the addition of Duchene would make the Sens a cup contender.So all the problems we've seen so far is because Dorion bought into Boucher Hockey™ and tried to optimize his team for that. Add to that the handcuffs of Melnyk's budget. I think he's learned something, and that he'll actually turn out to be a pretty good GM in his next job. He's creative and not afraid to be aggressive. But he'll never let a coach dictate his team in this way again.
I've been chewing on this scenario for the past few days, and I'd like to see what the board thinks:
When Dorion interviewed Boucher, he was blown away by Boucher's approach to hockey, and at that point tied the Senators wagon to playing Boucher Hockey™ , and giving Boucher whatever he wanted to make his vision happen. This is why Z-Bad was traded for a centre based on his handedness (as well as the raise that Z-Bad was due, and hadn't yet deserved - at least from the Senators). This is why he brought in Pyatt. This is why he brough DiDo into the fold. This is why he got Burrows.
When the team made it to the ECF, and he was nominated for GM of the year, he and Boucher became convinced they were the smartest guys in the room. That Boucher Hockey™ could deal with the loss of Methot. They had played 70-some games Boucher Hockey™ without Mac, so his loss wasn't a big deal. Boucher wanted Nate Thompson. Karlsson wanted Oduya, and Boucher Hockey™ could work for him.
At the same time, Dorion had coveted Duchene for a long time, and when he wouldn't offer Turris his 6x6 (rightly in my mind), he saw his opportunity to get him for Turris (upgrade), Bowers (not a top prospect) and a pick in the high teens (at worst). Duchene would help counter one of the big problems with Boucher Hockey™ - a lack of scoring. And if it doesn't work out in a year or two - doesn't matter. won Cup.
But Boucher Hockey™ isn't all that, and doesn't work in today's game. When it didn't work, they tried to Boucher Hockey™ harder, but that just made things worse. Now comes Feb 2018. Dorion has realized the Boucher Hockey™ doesn't work, and that he's built his team badly. Time to rebuild!
So all the problems we've seen so far is because Dorion bought into Boucher Hockey™ and tried to optimize his team for that. Add to that the handcuffs of Melnyk's budget. I think he's learned something, and that he'll actually turn out to be a pretty good GM in his next job. He's creative and not afraid to be aggressive. But he'll never let a coach dictate his team in this way again.
His evaluation of where we were as a team last year was a horrific miscalculation.Just no. He’s the worst GM in the league by a huge margin. Only an idiot would have thought the addition of Duchene would make the Sens a cup contender.