The All Purpose "Jack Johnson Sucks" Thread

[Crosbyfan]

We should bring back the original thread announcing we signed Johnson. It would be comical to see who tried to defend the signing.

When the coaches are looking at the tapes they might be looking at not just the overall package but keying on things they think hurt his game that they feel they can readily fix. Seeing issues that can explain his analytics may seem to them as more of a plus than a minus, depending on what they are, and from what they say the coaches are happy to have him, two being quite excited to have him.

He obviously has the tool set that cannot easily be coached further but this is his chance to change his game with a new system.

If his physical game is still there there is still time to improve, especially in mental areas. He is after all 31 not 75.

I see a lot more upside potential here than downside, so I like the signing.

 

[Pens x]

Lol we all make mistakes

 

[DegenX]

From the main board: The Jack Johnson effect - Maybe he is as bad as Pens fans say

 

[Gurglesons]

Lol we all make mistakes

Pens X is understanding things aren’t black and white!

I want to buy you a beer, but I’m not sure you’re old enough!

 

[cheesedanish87]

I couldn't of been the only one that noticed JJ inability to hold in pucks in the Flyers zone tonight.

I knew he was bad, but i didn't realize he was this bad with the puck on his stick.

Its like Scuderi bad.

 

[Gurglesons]

I couldn't of been the only one that noticed JJ inability to hold in pucks in the Flyers zone tonight.

I knew he was bad, but i didn't realize he was this bad with the puck on his stick.

Its like Scuderi bad.

He actually looked pretty impressive holding on to the puck tonight. So he has that going for him for like 3 games out of 50!

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I couldn't of been the only one that noticed JJ inability to hold in pucks in the Flyers zone tonight.

I knew he was bad, but i didn't realize he was this bad with the puck on his stick.

Its like Scuderi bad.

His inability to handle the puck is truly fascinating. It's like the rest of the players are pranking him and have switched his regular stick with a rubber one and he hasn't yet caught on to the joke.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

From the main board: The Jack Johnson effect - Maybe he is as bad as Pens fans say

Again, the scariest thing in all of this is that the team management loves him. JR and Sully actually like him.

Even when every single metric shows he's garbage, including the eye test.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

His inability to handle the puck is truly fascinating. It's like the rest of the players are pranking him and have switched his regular stick with a rubber one and he hasn't yet caught on to the joke.

Can the joke find out about a joke?

 

[Turin]

I couldn't of been the only one that noticed JJ inability to hold in pucks in the Flyers zone tonight.

I knew he was bad, but i didn't realize he was this bad with the puck on his stick.

Its like Scuderi bad.

There is nothing separating him from being Scuderi anymore. If anything, the evolution of the league from 2015 to 2019 means he’s worse relative to the league than Scuds was.

f***.

 

[EightyOne]

There is nothing separating him from being Scuderi anymore. If anything, the evolution of the league from 2015 to 2019 means he’s worse relative to the league than Scuds was.

****.

Weren't you a more positive poster recently? I feel like you've broken a bit lately and become "one of us, one of us"...or maybe I'm mistaken. Lol.

 

[Turin]

Weren't you a more positive poster recently? I feel like you've broken a bit lately and become "one of us, one of us"...or maybe I'm mistaken. Lol.

Yea , I reached a breaking point watching this team get shelled in important games and seeing JJ get worse and keep playing. I still think they’re two moves on D from being the best team but it’s clear they’re too dumb to see JJ as the disaster that he is.

 

[Gurglesons]

Still sucks.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Still sucks.

Careful, his parents are going to be very upset with you
(too soon?)

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hey so been a while. This season has been really, really, really not fun.

But anyhow I'm super shocked to see Jack Johnson hasn't worked out.

Shocked, I tell you. I'm betting pixies has been super magnanimous about this whole thing.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hey so been a while. This season has been really, really, really not fun.

But anyhow I'm super shocked to see Jack Johnson hasn't worked out.

Shocked, I tell you. I'm betting pixies has been super magnanimous about this whole thing.

Jack Johnson doesn’t know what magnanimous means.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Jack Johnson doesn’t know what magnanimous means.

I heard he thinks it's a new kind of candy bar.

 

[Andy99]

Be prepared for seeing a lot more of him now that Maatta is out indefinitely

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Both teams and private stats companies (like the one Chayka founded) come up with plenty of microstats and models we don't know about. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Pens compiled a pile of "analytics" like Net Battles Won or Penalty Killing Blocks that supported their gut affection for Johnson.

Remember that the Oilers media reported that their team's analytics department concluded that Kris Russell was better defensively than Marc-Edouard Vlasic. Some of these companies are just yes-men who coat a thin veneer of statistical rigour to confirm what teams already think about players.

Not really JJ related but I’d bet my left arm they have their own stat to track zone time and the org places significant weight on it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Not really JJ related but I’d bet my left arm they have their own stat to track zone time and the org places significant weight on it.

Flailing Arms In Little Useful Real Effect?

(FAILURE%)

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Be prepared for seeing a lot more of him now that Maatta is out indefinitely

I don't see how he tops Dumo/Letang in TOI, but sometimes it appears Sully likes to sub-optimize his lineup so anything is possible at this point

 

[vikingGoalie]

one aspect of Maatta getting hurt and out for the next month is it probably makes it highly unlikely we get rid of JJ any time soon. But JR can't be blind to the Johnson effect, nor can Sully be. I think we were always going to wait and see how he does in the playoffs anyway. But he's really a drag on our team. A slightly better skating Rob Scuderi...

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

one aspect of Maatta getting hurt and out for the next month is it probably makes it highly unlikely we get rid of JJ any time soon. But JR can't be blind to the Johnson effect, nor can Sully be. I think we were always going to wait and see how he does in the playoffs anyway. But he's really a drag on our team. A slightly better skating Rob Scuderi...

In what world do you live in that JJ was going to get scratched?
Wasn't gonna happen

We could be afforded an all star roster of dmen and somehow/someway JJ would leach himself into the top 6

Sully and JR LOVE HIM- let that sink in

 

[3074326]

We should bring back the original thread announcing we signed Johnson. It would be comical to see who tried to defend the signing.

Why? How dare people be optimistic about their team.

I guess optimism isn't the HF Pens way though. Those idiots!

I thought he could be OK. Fire away?

 

[EightyOne]

No one THOUGHT he'd be okay..but we HOPED he wouldn't be what we already knew him to be.


A bunch of posters put crazy free agent signings and silly trades out every day around here.


...the common denominator? No one ever wanted to trade for or sign this guy. Not the optimists. Not the pessimists. Not the fire sullys. Not the advanced stat freaks. No one.

most trades that happen had at least one poster wanting the guy at some point on HFPens.

Not with JMFJ. No one wanted him.