Friedman: Teams calling Habs about Max Pacioretty Sign and Trade

[BA Carroll]

Unless Patches magically switches to RW over the offseason, the Blues are stacked at LW. Don't see the reason to make a bid, competitive or not. There are much more pressing needs up the middle and on the right side as compared to the luxury of having yet another LW.

Furthermore, Patches doesn't get a sniff of Parayko in a trade unless there is a significant amount of additions.

--The Blues are hardly "stacked" at LW. They have Schwartz and Steen....and then? Berglund? Sobotka? Please. Steen has no business playing top 6 minutes, and if conventional wisdom is right and Thomas is making the team as the 3C, he will need a solid two way guy like Steen on his line. Sobotka needs to be dealt for whatever can be had. Berglund is serviceable as a 3c, but again, Thomas is probably a better option if he's ready. Don't even say Robby Fabbri's name. I wish the kid all the best, but he's played about two minutes of hockey in the last two years. He has zero business being penciled into the roster, much less on the top line. If he forces his way back on the team by Christmas, so much the better, but not holding my breath for it.

-I agree that Patches doesn't get a sniff of Parayko without significant adds...Which is why, in my last post, when I wondered if the Blues could pull off a competitive offer, I specifically excluded Parayko, along with Thomas and Kyrou. Personally, I would not move Parayko for anyone not named Draisatl--and I absolutely am hoping for exactly that.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

So let me get this straight -

Before he had little value because he was a pure rental

Now he has little value to contending teams because he isn’t a pure rental if he’s signed and traded..

His value to contenders is as a rental.

His value to non-legit contenders would be if he had term.

His value is different to different teams. It's not really a ridiculous statement, even if you worded it differently above.

 

[BatVader]

Yes, he'll be in Stl next year. Which one was St. Catharines?

Icedogs

 

[Hostile Offer]

he was awful 2 seasons ago. played pretty well this past year. played on the wing because Barkov and Trochek are the top 2 C..those guys are pretty good.

I personally would hate to see Bjugstad on the habs. not only would he walk in right away as their best C, he would be a matchup nightmare against Matthews/Kadri

to each their own i guess

Oh man dude, Bjugstad would get eaten alive by Matthews/Kadri. Much rather rely on Plekanec or Danault against them.

 

[Halla]

Oh man dude, Bjugstad would get eaten alive by Matthews/Kadri. Much rather rely on Plekanec or Danault against them.

if thats the same plekanec i saw for 20+ with the leafs, he can't handle playing against top 6 C anymore.
Maybe in a 4th line 10min role he can be effective.

The habs cant possibly expect to roll with Danault/Plekanec/Freese/warm body down the middle can they?
Drouin and Galchenyuk arent C. time for bergevin to make a big play for ROR

3rd OA OR
Galchenyuk + Juulsen/Scherbak + 2nd

 

[Hostile Offer]

if thats the same plekanec i saw for 20+ with the leafs, he can't handle playing against top 6 C anymore.
Maybe in a 4th line 10min role he can be effective.

The habs cant possibly expect to roll with Danault/Plekanec/Freese/warm body down the middle can they?
Drouin and Galchenyuk arent C. time for bergevin to make a big play for ROR

3rd OA OR
Galchenyuk + Juulsen/Scherbak + 2nd

I've proposed Galchenyuk+Juulsen for ROR but Buffalo fans didn't seem to enticed about the base. 3OA is off the table.

And yes, obviously we need at least one top 6 C, the Drouin-Danault-Plekanec (De La Rose)-Froese centre line we had last year can't happen again. If we can't get a young C through a trade (ROR, RNH), maybe we can sign a guy like Stastny. Something needs to be done either way, that't for sure.

My point however was that Bjugstad is a terrible option for a C to play against other teams' top lines, you can't trust him any more than Galchenyuk in there. And didn't Plekanec just play against Bergeron in the playoffs for the Leafs?

 

[beowulf]

Really not this crap again.
Your not getting that haul. Def not from st. Louis.
At this point you will possibly get a 25-31 1st and a b prospect (Mom center)

Blues are not trading you Thomas, kyrou, Kostin Thompson or dunn. Just isn't happening. It's funny we go over this on a weekly basis. Blues do not need another lh shot lwer at the cost of our top prospects that actually fill needs for the blues

This has got to be a joke post, right? It sure if a joke of post at the very least.

I've proposed Galchenyuk+Juulsen for ROR but Buffalo fans didn't seem to enticed about the base. 3OA is off the table.

And yes, obviously we need at least one top 6 C, the Drouin-Danault-Plekanec (De La Rose)-Froese centre line we had last year can't happen again. If we can't get a young C through a trade (ROR, RNH), maybe we can sign a guy like Stastny. Something needs to be done either way, that't for sure.

My point however was that Bjugstad is a terrible option for a C to play against other teams' top lines, you can't trust him any more than Galchenyuk in there. And didn't Plekanec just play against Bergeron in the playoffs for the Leafs?

Why would the Habs do something this dumb?

 

[Dbrownss]

Icedogs

Hmmm barely remember that series lol. RT was an impact player more often then not in the playoffs

 

[Hostile Offer]

Why would the Habs do something this dumb?

To get a top line centre?

 

[beowulf]

To get a top line centre?

O'Reilly is overrated, 27 years old and signed at a crazy $7.5M a season. Giving up a younger and as talented forward and a potential very solid top 4 dman for him is not a smart move.

 

[PriceIsGod]

O'Reilly is overrated, 27 years old and signed at a crazy $7.5M a season. Giving up a younger and as talented forward and a potential very solid top 4 dman for him is not a smart move.

ROR >> Chuck and I really like chuck. You can't claim that Galchenyuk is just as Talented

 

[Club]

O'Reilly is overrated, 27 years old and signed at a crazy $7.5M a season. Giving up a younger and as talented forward and a potential very solid top 4 dman for him is not a smart move.

I wouldn't call ROR overrated by any means. He's tremendous in the dot, doesn't take penalties, smart with the puck and would easily be a #2 C on most teams

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I can't wait to bump this post in june when Pacioretty will be traded for high first round pick and a (A) level prospect.

You definitely undervalue him big time.

 

[beowulf]

ROR >> Chuck and I really like chuck. You can't claim that Galchenyuk is just as Talented

He is not far off, they have comparable career ppg with Galchenyuk at 0.61 and ROR at 0.65. At the very least the difference is not giving up Juulsen.

 

[beowulf]

I wouldn't call ROR overrated by any means. He's tremendous in the dot, doesn't take penalties, smart with the puck and would easily be a #2 C on most teams

He is overrated especially at his cap hit as a #2 center...

 

[jfhabs]

he wont be though. why would patches give up the right to choose where he goes by agreeing to a sign and trade?

whats the market on a pending UFA winger that didnt have 20g or 40pts last year?

McCann managed 0.41ppg last year with minimal PP time. He would probabl;y be a 50pt guy with PP time. that + Rasmus Kupari would be a good return for a year of Patches (I dont believe for a second a sign and trade is even remotely possible)

Games played, beliw career average shooting percentage, quality of teamates, team play, injury, past production. Calling Pacioretty a below 30g/50pts producer is wrong.

 

[Dbrownss]

I can't wait to bump this post in june when Pacioretty will be traded for high first round pick and a (A) level prospect.

You definitely undervalue him big time.

 

[jfhabs]

if thats the same plekanec i saw for 20+ with the leafs, he can't handle playing against top 6 C anymore.
Maybe in a 4th line 10min role he can be effective.

The habs cant possibly expect to roll with Danault/Plekanec/Freese/warm body down the middle can they?
Drouin and Galchenyuk arent C. time for bergevin to make a big play for ROR

3rd OA OR
Galchenyuk + Juulsen/Scherbak + 2nd

3rd overall is a stupid overpayment for ROR.
I asked buffalo fans for Galchenyuk + 38th overall and got ridiculed. Adding Juulsen/Scherback is over the top and I don't even think they would agree it's fair value... that package is much better than what they gave in the first place and RoR now has 3 less years of team control and is 3 years older...

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

ROR is a 50-60 points guy, he does great job mostly in defense and alright in offense, but he won't improve your team on the scoring board, he's not the top #1c the Habs need, we had our fair share of 2 way centerman and they are not game changing by any mean. he's a younger plekanec or a less talented Koivu.

 

[Habs Halifax]

ROR >> Chuck and I really like chuck. You can't claim that Galchenyuk is just as Talented

I prefer to keep Galchenyuk myself. ROR does not turn us into a top 10 team. I rather draft the center we need and keep our age 25 and under core together.

 

[Habs Halifax]

ROR is a 50-60 points guy, he does great job mostly in defense and alright in offense, but he won't improve your team on the scoring board, he's not the top #1c the Habs need, we had our fair share of 2 way centerman and they are not game changing by any mean. he's a younger plekanec or a less talented Koivu.

ROR is a perfect fit at #2C for a team that could be a contender. If I was the Sabres, I'd be happy with Eichel, ROR, Dahlin, Ristolainen, Mittelstadt. Go get a top 10 goalie somehow and they will be a team on the rise very quick IMO.

Personally, I pass on ROR to the Habs. We need bigger pieces and we are not close enough to being contenders to make a trade for him and subtract from what we have.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I prefer to keep Galchenyuk myself. ROR does not turn us into a top 10 team. I rather draft the center we need and keep our age 25 and under core together.

and some people tend to forget, but our team is damn young... we have petry, price, weber, pac, alzner, but apart from that the core is 22-25 which is really young.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

ROR is a perfect fit at #2C for a team that could be a contender. If I was the Sabres, I'd be happy with Eichel, ROR, Dahlin, Ristolainen, Mittelstadt. Go get a top 10 goalie somehow and they will be a team on the rise very quick IMO.

Personally, I pass on ROR to the Habs. We need bigger pieces and we are not close enough to being contenders to make a trade for him and subtract from what we have.

I really love Eichel but there is something about the kid that makes me think he will never be as successful as he should be.

 

[Habs Halifax]

and some people tend to forget, but our team is damn young... we have petry, price, weber, pac, alzner, but apart from that the core is 22-25 which is really young.

Agreed! The majority of our core is age 25 and under and they can be lead by Price and Weber while they approach their mid 30's in the next 3-5 years. Focus on youth and see where we stand in 1 or 2 years ish. Then decide what kind of trades we want to make as we will have a surplus of young assets that we can potentially can spare. Now is not the time

 

[Habs Halifax]

I really love Eichel but there is something about the kid that makes me think he will never be as successful as he should be.

He will be fine. Think about how long it took MacKinnon to break out. Eichel has size, skill, skating. That team needs a better D and a goalie. Dahlin was perfect for them and he will look good playing with Ristolainen. Sabres will be a force to deal with if they can address the back end and find a goalie