Thats extreme.... And false.Jones might be the better pick now, Laine >>> Jones when peaked.
Goal scoring is important, but there's more to hockey than scoring goals. Laine brings one thing. Let me know when he gets more than 50 assists (hasn't even reach 30 yet) or he does 50 in 50. All he has proven that he's on the same level as Rick Nash.
I can't imagine what's going on in some peoples head.
This right here (see previous comment)Laine and it is not even remotly close, i would take 1 laine over 2 Jones, i can not find any argument for Jones at all. Laine is much more of game-changer than Jones is, and it is also extremly clear if you just look at team result that d-men are silly overrated in general.
This right here (see previous comment)
I feel the exact opposite. Outside of goal scoring (duh winger vs dman) is the only thing Laine is better at. Jones plays the more important position, on the ice more and during key moments (pk/end of games), Jones directly contributes to his teams success (both offensively and duh defensively). Laine is one dimensional and Jones is the complete package. So you will forgive my confusion when I see posts like these...
Laine and it is not even remotly close, i would take 1 laine over 2 Jones, i can not find any argument for Jones at all. Laine is much more of game-changer than Jones is, and it is also extremly clear if you just look at team result that d-men are silly overrated in general.
3rd worst post I've ever seen on this forum.... And that's saying a lot.
I wasn't referring to team success, team success is more group success than an individual one. And a poor way to measure individual worth. I was talking about the role of their jobs on their, or for that matter, on any team. PP1 Jones is on it, PK1 Jones is on the ice. End of game, goal down or goal up; Jones is on the ice. Jones is one of the highest scoring dmen in the league in goals and assists, and he plays more important time.
Maybe if Laine can increase his assists (26 this year) without a big drop in goals, then maybe I could see an argument.
How is that homerism? He does play at those times...and again with age...Lol no homerism here and another question was Jones all over the ice at 19?
How is that homerism? He does play at those times...and again with age...
All I'm asking is, outside of age and goals (and there's a lot more to hockey than those), what does Laine do better than Jones?
Again with stats, I'm not going down that rabbit hole. One is a forward and one is a dman, stats really don't work. Besides that, Laine only had 13 pts more than Jones, doesn't help his case from a stats POV. Your only argument outside of stats appear to be, more stats. If you base a value of a player based on stats (and in this case goals) that's your choice. But I have given you more than enough reasons why Jones is the better player, while you offer up feelings, insults and scream "goals at 19" for 5 straight pages.What stat is Seth Jones better than Laine at while being 4 years older? OZ%?
Again with stats, I'm not going down that rabbit hole. One is a forward and one is a dman, stats really don't work. Besides that, Laine only had 13 pts more than Jones, doesn't help his case from a stats POV. Your only argument outside of stats appear to be, more stats. If you base a value of a player based on stats (and in this case goals) that's your choice. But I have given you more than enough reasons why Jones is the better player, while you offer up feelings, insults and scream "goals at 19" for 5 straight pages.
Been watching around 10 Jets game these playoffs. Never thought Laine was so underwhelming. Plays like he's stuck in quicksand. Absolutely allergic to moving his feet. Never seen a player this static. Also thought his stick handling were a lot better. Hell of a release and One T though. Almost Ovechkin like in that area. Gotta go with Jones here.
You mean Elite franchise winger or a #1 defensiveman.Top line winger vs #1 defenseman...please do.
LMAO. Okay.The kid is actually doing pretty good right now and he is seems to be slowly working off an ankle injury(before he got it he was skating all over the place).
Why is points per game, and goals your basis for arguing the difference between a defender and a forward. Nylander has more career goals than Jones, I guess you'd take him as well?Lol stats are enough, it’s just an edition all factor that Laine is still only 20.
I’m obviously not going to change your mind because your a Blue Jackets fan.
All I can do is point out reasons why Laine is better(and here you yell out defensive position). In reality Laine was one goal off this season from scoring more goals than Jones has scored in his entire career(if you include playoffs he’s got more there than in Jones entire career) . Jones was traded as a 19 year old and couldn’t even reach .3 PPG at that age while Laine is second in the league in goals since he’s entered it(with more GPG than than the guy ahead of him), Laine has had the most GP/60 with a weaker range of Linemates/Pairings over the season(Laines played the majority of the season with Little and Ehlers which neither are better than Werenski skill wise).
Yeah I’m sure you could say Jones is a Defensmen all day but that doesn’t make him better or more valuable, that just makes Jones a player at a different position.
Unless a team is in need of a Defensmen(which I can’t blame them for), I don’t see any reasonable, well reason to not take a Generational Goalscorer(as goals are the most important stat in hockey and the hardest stat to have in hockey as well) over a older player(just because he’s playing a more sought out position).