Seth Jones or Patrik Laine

[tony d]

I like both players but I'm going with Jones here.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

look at whos the op

says the guy who started 'Will the habs play zadina at center?' poll

 

[bsu]

Jones

 

[rent free]

says the guy who started 'Will the habs play zadina at center?' poll

so? my poll's actually relevant because theres a legit chance it happens. why would you compare a fwd to a dman? makes no sense

 

[TOGuy14]

From the Leafs perspective and needs this is easily Jones. I could see how a team like Nashville would take Laine though.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Who does my team need more? Jones.

But I still take Laine bc laine Barzal duo would just be a beauty

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Why are Jets fans defending Laine right from the get go? I mean just because someone would chose Jones for his team that lacks a top defenceman much more than top winger, he gets immediately bombarded for not taking Laine. Both would be big additions to any team in the league, but for some teams one would fill bigger need than the other.

But please, tell us more about this Laine player.

I’d a team is in need of a Defensmen that is fair, but if your simple picking Jones because of “value” it’s kind of strange because Laine is 3 years younger and is coming off a sophomore season with 44 Goals. This poll is serverly underrating Laines talent in a whole, that is all.

 

[Derg12]

Jones without a second thought for obvious reasons - our backend is a mess.

 

[Kington91]

so? my poll's actually relevant because theres a legit chance it happens. why would you compare a fwd to a dman? makes no sense

Well, they aren't getting compared from a position standpoint. They are being compared from a team value standpoint - so it is relevant.

 

[Kington91]

I’d a team is in need of a Defensmen that is fair, but if your simple picking Jones because of “value” it’s kind of strange because Laine is 3 years younger and is coming off a sophomore season with 44 Goals. This poll is serverly underrating Laines talent in a whole, that is all.

If you are picking Jones for value, it still makes sense. People keep saying Laine was 19 and scored 44, which is fantastic. However - they aren't talking about what Jones brings. Which when you look at them both - it makes sense to value Jones higher for both the position he plays, as well as age. A defenseman on average doesn't peak nearly as soon as a scoring forward - so both have young age going for them.

It isn't like Jones is old, he is 23 and he scored 57 points last year as a #1 all situations defenseman. Number one defensemen that are proven at the age of 23 are as rare as 19 year old forwards who score 70 points. It is easy to see why someone would Jones in this situation, in fact - it seems like a clear and obvious choice.

Also - for those saying Laine scored more this year than Jones has in his career combined, please stop. Jones led the league in goals by a defenseman - which looking at positional scoring is pretty equal to a forward being at the top of the league in goals for forwards. Both are great goal scorers relative to their positions - and by all accounts defense is the much more valuable position to team success.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Jones for me, AINEC. The kid will be a STUD for years and years. A potential #1 D like him is Much more valuable to a team going forward, IMO.

 

[nobody]

Jones AINEC. You don't turn down a RHD who is still only 22? years old and already playing heavy minutes and producing outstanding numbers. Laine is a fantastic player but short of his ability of putting the puck in the net, he doesn't provide much else. He also is heavily dependent on guys feeding him the puck. If I was getting say a young Ovi vs Jones, I would take Ovy but that's because he literally did it all in his younger days. Laine isn't a 1/3 of the player Ovi was and so Jones is the obvious choice.

If your team was super loaded at D and in desperate need for offense, I can see them choosing Laine. But honestly, other than maybe Nashville and maybe Anaheim, there's no other team out there who couldn't use Jones over Laine.

 

[Aladyyn]

Expected stats don't measure luck, and invidual residuals do not measure luck.

Your second paragraphs is a mess. It's typical word salad from people that use the arguement "x stat doesn't apply to y player".
He aims "his shot as accurately as anyone I've seen" ; therefore "he misses alot". I stopped reading after that.

Laine is the best shooter in NHL history.

He's not particularly good at literally any other aspect of hockey but god damn. His shot is something else.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

As a Wild fan, it definitely made me think for a bit. But, how can you pass up Jones?

Suter - Jones
Brodin - Dumba/Spurgeon

Drool worthy.

 

[bert]

44 Goals, 3rd All-Time scoring teenager, highest G/60 in the league, shall I go on?

No because he wont improve but all other young players will. Thats what ive been told anyways, I mean take 19 year old Jones vs 19 year old Laine. Its not even close. I am one of the biggest Jones fans out there but this is an easy decision its Laine.

 

[Fataldogg]

Laine could be a generational goal scorer. He will be scoring 50+ in his prime routinely, and if he plays injury free, could end up one of the greatest goal scorers of all time.

You don't pass up on that.

Seth Jones is an elite defense man. Nothing can take that away from him. He is one of the best.

 

[ottawa]

#1D vs #1 winger...this isn't even close.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

No because he wont improve but all other young players will. Thats what ive been told anyways, I mean take 19 year old Jones vs 19 year old Laine. Its not even close. I am one of the biggest Jones fans out there but this is an easy decision its Laine.

Athletically Laine is one of the rawest Elite players in the league. If you look at some of the other tall lanky players you realize a trend(that they’re all usually raw and take a while to fully develop). People are starting to criminally underrate him, I mean one player had more goals than Laine this year and if I could be wrong but before Laine got hurt they where tied ten games to go in the regular season(and the fact Laine got 4 less minutes per game with a declining Centermen for most of the season, while Ovechkin was playing with either two Elite playingmaking Centers in Backstrom or Kutznetsov). I mean if Laine got top line minutes with a Elite Center(Scheifele) and stuck out for the entire Powerplay like Ovi he may have had equal or more goals than Ovie and potentially won the Rocket.

 

[winnipegger]

Laine will become a more complete player as he matures into his 20's. Right now he is a 1 dimensional goal scorer so I can see why people take Jones. That shot though. You can't teach that. I can think of several other players that fit the Jones mold but I can't off the top of my head think of a 19 year old capable of scoring 44 goals. Jones is a safe pick, he's going to be a #1 D and there's no question about that. Laine's ceiling is uncertain, will he stay a PP specialist occasionally scoring 50 or will he be a truly special player? His 5v5 play is underwhelming so it starts there.

 

[Aladyyn]

Is Laine even a 1W? He's the best shooter ever, but the rest of his game is not even close to being anything special and who knows if it ever gets there.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Is Laine even a 1W? He's the best shooter ever, but the rest of his game is not even close to being anything special and who knows if it ever gets there.

it's hard to say to be honest. he's like 65th in the league in 5v5 points, but he faces 2nd line competition and his advanced stats are nothing to write home about. he's also pretty much never the best player on his team when he steps out on the ice, and is often not even the 2nd best

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Top line winger vs #1 defenseman...please do.

Love when people make lazy non-individualised arguments

 

[teravaineSAROS]

People don't realise Laine was 19 for all of this season and still managed to come second in the Rocket race where as Jones just recently fully established himself being 3 years(?) older.

Yes D-men take longer to develop but people treat it as if they're both in their prime

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Well I sure hope your the future Oilers GM... Laine and McDavid wouldn’t be that goood hey?

Who needs to play defense anyways

 

[Tobias Kahun]

People don't realise Laine was 19 for all of this season and still managed to come second in the Rocket race where as Jones just recently fully established himself being 3 years(?) older.

Yes D-men take longer to develop but people treat it as if they're both in their prime

Forwards generally peak in their early 20’s