Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[Leetch3]

PB decided to post it on the main board like it's a done deal so everyone is ripping our GM and team apart.

Well first problem with that is reading what he says. He’s probably why the main boards hate us lol

 

[Mikos87]

Jost +

Could be a higher upside player, but Jost hasn't shown a whole lot. I'd take a flyer on a big body RH shot whose played more against men and shown well versus his peers in Kaut. Jost to me is in the Sam Bennet mold. Could be a very good player, but a depth piece.

Kaut I see as a third liner, neither are anything special to write home about.

 

[Mikos87]

the NHLPA won't make more $$ that way because of escrow...the players get 50%. burying bad contracts and then giving out that $$ to other players just increases the likelihood of escrow and all players having to pay back a % of their salary

Not quite true. Players in the AHL aren't subject to escrow. The salary they make in the AHL doesn't count against the NHL spend. Doesn't apply to signing bonuses but at least that's how it worked the last go around.

 

[Mikos87]

No offense, but I think that is playing a bit with words. We have a defender who might get time on the 4th line and a PPQB who probably is 4th in order for the job. For me at least that cap space is dead.

And we can of course only speculate on what is best with Buch and ADA. But to put it like this, if we give Gorton 6m extra cap space this and next season — I think it will be very valuable for the organization. He would make good moves with it.

Fair enough. It's a difference of opportunity cost versus a lack of purchasing power. Neither helps the team ice a winner.

More cap space, without these horrible contracts the Rangers handed out would be most useful. Not arguments there.

 

[GordonGecko]

Rangers GM Jeff Gorton now has to play the salary cap game
Rangers GM Gorton now has to play the salary cap game

"Gorton may have no choice but to trade Kreider, who has been the Rangers’ first-line left wing and who tied his career high in goals last season with 28. The 28-year-old carries a $4.65 million cap hit, and if he isn’t traded, the Rangers would likely have to sign him to a long-term deal paying him in the neighborhood of $7 million per year. That kind of money would be tough to fit under the cap in 2020-21 and beyond.

Other likely candidates to be traded would include forwards Vlad Namestnikov (one year remaining at $4 million) and Ryan Strome (one year, $3.1 million).

If Gorton opts to use the buyout window, Shattenkirk and Smith each have two years left on four-year contracts signed in the summer of 2017. Buying out Shattenkirk — whose cap hit in each of the next two years is $6.65 million — would save $5.2 million against the cap this season, according to CapFriendly."

 

[Fitzy]

Not a ton there we didn't already know, but a decent recap.

I can't see any realistic scenario now with Panarin that keeps Kreider here after his contract ends, and with the amount of money tied up now and in future wingers it probably isn't a good idea anyways.

Getting good assets for him is the tricky bit. Could we get a Nash-lite deadline return for him? Or would it be more in the Zucc/Grabner range?

 

[GordonGecko]

Rangers are currently $4,156,466 over the cap

A buyout of Lundqvist saves $4,250,000 this year

just sayin'

 

[Mikos87]

Not a ton there we didn't already know, but a decent recap.

I can't see any realistic scenario now with Panarin that keeps Kreider here after his contract ends, and with the amount of money tied up now and in future wingers it probably isn't a good idea anyways.

Getting good assets for him is the tricky bit. Could we get a Nash-lite deadline return for him? Or would it be more in the Zucc/Grabner range?

I think the cap space next year goes to address a 4th line and a veteran center.

 

[haohmaru]

Rangers are currently $4,156,466 over the cap

A buyout of Lundqvist saves $4,250,000 this year

just sayin'

The Rangers aren't buying out Lundqvist.

Just sayin'

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Buying out Shatty or Smith over Staal is Tanner Glass all over again.

Except now Glass is getting 16-18 minutes a night

 

[NewLife]

Are Brooks fooled or aren't there really a market for Shattenkirk? Like so many have said before, he must have value at 50%. Unless there is a common consensus around the league to not take the Rangers out of this situation. If so we're f***ed.
Trouba & Buch getting singed is great and all but the first ting I'm looking for is when the f*** some cap will be shredded.

 

[Irishguy42]

Unless there is a common consensus around the league to not take the Rangers out of this situation. If so we're ****ed.

Not sure how this sentiment would exist when there are easier fish to fry in making Toronto's life harder to sign Marner, and yet GMs are lining around the corner to help them out.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Buyout Smith. Trade Names with $1MM retained. Only move Kreider if the deal is right, otherwise move him at the deadline.

Smith and Names moves saves a bit over $6MM.

Hang on to Shattenkirk. I think he rebuilds his value by the deadline where you move him with some retention.

 

[hi]

In before Gorton buys out no one and trades Skjei

 

[I Eat Crow]

In before Gorton buys out no one and trades Skjei

This would be a very shrewd move if the scouts were sold on Hajek and Miller being the future on the left side. What would Skjei return that would be palatable for little money on the cap?

 

[Ghost of jas]

In before Gorton buys out no one and trades Skjei

I have already stake out this territory. You’re welcome to come aboard.

 

[Mikos87]

This would be a very shrewd move if the scouts were sold on Hajek and Miller being the future on the left side. What would Skjei return that would be palatable for little money on the cap?

I highly doubt it happens. The Rangers went into this off-season knowing that they had 1 legit top 4 NHL defenseman. That was Sjkei.

They legitimately have 2 now with Skjei & Trouba.

The rest are either unproven or have been disproved as top 4 NHL defensemen.

 

[charliemurphy]

Buyout Smith. Trade Names with $1MM retained. Only move Kreider if the deal is right, otherwise move him at the deadline.

Smith and Names moves saves a bit over $6MM.

Hang on to Shattenkirk. I think he rebuilds his value by the deadline where you move him with some retention.

Bingo has been called

 

[Mikos87]

Are Brooks fooled or aren't there really a market for Shattenkirk? Like so many have said before, he must have value at 50%. Unless there is a common consensus around the league to not take the Rangers out of this situation. If so we're ****ed.
Trouba & Buch getting singed is great and all but the first ting I'm looking for is when the **** some cap will be shredded.

Unless you are giving up a valuable asset, teams aren't going to help you solve your cap problems.

I heard a number of teams were pissed off at Carolina for that they took to help TOR with the Marleau buyout.

It changed the market value for a 1st round pick as being equivalent to ~$3M to $6M.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I highly doubt it happens. The Rangers went into this off-season knowing that they had 1 legit top 4 NHL defenseman. That was Sjkei.

They legitimately have 2 now with Skjei & Trouba.

The rest are either unproven or have been disproved as top 4 NHL defensemen.

I tend to agree. Skjei's value at the moment isn't as high as it was a year ago, for example. If he has a monster year and Miller and Hajek continue to progress, it's possible the Rangers should explore what his value would be around the league.

If he can net the Rangers a 2nd line center at a reasonable cap hit or that similar to Skjei's, that's a move I'd consider a year from now.

 

[rangerfan_79]

You have 666 messages.

The devil made me do it.

 

[Mikos87]

I tend to agree. Skjei's value at the moment isn't as high as it was a year ago, for example. If he has a monster year and Miller and Hajek continue to progress, it's possible the Rangers should explore what his value would be around the league.

If he can net the Rangers a 2nd line center at a reasonable cap hit or that similar to Skjei's, that's a move I'd consider a year from now.

Yeah and even that has a number of things depending on it. I think Miller ends up as a real deal top pair defenseman in 21-22, and I see Hajek as a 20+ minute a night guy in 20-21. So a long ways to go.

Brady had one really bad year long stretch, from December 2018 to December 2019. He was awful after the sell-off of 2018, and had a really poor first 2 months of last year.

After that he settled down. IMO he can be the player we saw during his rookie year. I thought he really became more consistent and played a stable game after Christmas.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I am concerned. I don't think Larry would be writing this without knowing something and I don't think this is the right move.

In fact, I think it is a downright terrible move. Smith is the ideal buyout candidate. If you aren't going to buy him out, then it has to be Staal. There is no logic that says keep Staal and Smith and buy out Shattenkirk. I get that there is always more going on behind the scenes than we know about but this one just makes no sense.

Not going to overreact until I see how this plays out but I am skeptical to say the least.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

If the Rangers don't bring in another high ticket player next year Shattenkirk's cap hit probably won't be hard at all.

The most likely guy to be high ticket would happen if Kreider re-signed. If he doesn't and gets moved for a Hayes like package--that's a draft pick and a cheaper ELC player. I also don't think Namestnikov is going to be a Ranger for the 20-21 season--or at least he won't be getting a $4 mil per contract from us again--Beleskey will be gone as well and the cap will go up another $2-3 mil. The guys most likely staying will be cheaper contract guys--so if we subtract Kreider, Names, Beleskey and add $2-3 mil that's $12-13 mil.

....and this is a thing going on with the Rangers that in the coming years we're going to be more and more able to fill from within with younger and cheaper players.

Very true on all accounts but we still need to find a 2nd line center. But that's for another season.. I just think shatty is the only tradeable guy out of the 3 s`s. And if he plays well enough during the season we know some team will be desperate enough to want him for whatever. I believe in this organization and what they have done so far I'm on board with, they haven't given me a reason to doubt

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I am concerned. I don't think Larry would be writing this without knowing something and I don't think this is the right move.

In fact, I think it is a downright terrible move. Smith is the ideal buyout candidate. If you aren't going to buy him out, then it has to be Staal. There is no logic that says keep Staal and Smith and buy out Shattenkirk. I get that there is always more going on behind the scenes than we know about but this one just makes no sense.

Not going to overreact until I see how this plays out but I am skeptical to say the least.

Larry is a hack and writes things and throws them on a wall to see if it sticks. I dont believe anything he writes. Plus in his entire crap article he never states a source or that the rangers will do so. Brooks is just writing his opinion on who should be bought out