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All it means is there is no contract yet. If there is actually a hearing then theres something to talk about.
A bunch of future HoFers left each, literally millions of dollars on the table to stick together. And still they lost vets like Gourde and Tjo. Not sure that kind of decision is going to bode well with the Lightning Mafia.
I'm pretty sure Stamkos is stealing millions of dollars a year rather than having left it on the table. Guy is a 7M player tops. Colton clearly sees that if they are willing to overpay a guy like that then they can pay him what he deserves.
Come on, stay on topic. Stammer took less than market value when he signed.I'm pretty sure Stamkos is stealing millions of dollars a year rather than having left it on the table. Guy is a 7M player tops. Colton clearly sees that if they are willing to overpay a guy like that then they can pay him what he deserves.
He only filed for arbitration, still plenty of time before it goes to a hearing, we really have no idea what the contract talks look like. It can be something as simple as him wanting a one way contract instead of a two way contract, which seems fair, so I don't think we should jump to conclusions. Having said that, if it's AAV that is the issue a trade suddenly becomes more realistic.
Colton may be the one tradedI get the sense that this is more JFBB has a number and it’s just gonna take another trade to get to it (rather than arbitration)
1.1 million and change is all the Lightning have to offerColton had more even strength goals than Stamkos did this season in less games. Colton had more even strength goals and the same amount of even strength points as Stamkos in the playoffs. There's not currently a single player that's expected to be in the bottom 6 making more than 1M.
Joseph had a really good rookie year but a disappointing follow up and had to take a two year deal at league minimum. If he had his 13g 13a 26p season his last year of his ELC he's making much more yet they didn't give him any credit for that with the contract he got. Colton put up more points than Bellemare did last year and he got 1 x 2. Colton shouldn't take the deal that Barre-Boulet, Katchouk, Raddysh, Stephens or Joseph all took. Go for your money now, cause if you slip up a little they'll hold it against you. I don't think he's going to ask for the moon, I think the team will offer 850k and he'll probably ask 1.5M and they'll meet around 1.25.
1.1 million and change is all the Lightning have to offer
From the calculations I did I think they can go up to 1.3M. I think if they offer him 1.1M he'd take it, they probably ate trying to get him under 1M which I get from an organization point of view since he has just one year in the NHL of experience. But when you pay a guy like Bellemare 1M who Colton performed better than I understand why Colton wouldn't want to be paid less.
Colton had more even strength goals than Stamkos did this season in less games. Colton had more even strength goals and the same amount of even strength points as Stamkos in the playoffs. There's not currently a single player that's expected to be in the bottom 6 making more than 1M.
Joseph had a really good rookie year but a disappointing follow up and had to take a two year deal at league minimum. If he had his 13g 13a 26p season his last year of his ELC he's making much more yet they didn't give him any credit for that with the contract he got. Colton put up more points than Bellemare did last year and he got 1 x 2. Colton shouldn't take the deal that Barre-Boulet, Katchouk, Raddysh, Stephens or Joseph all took. Go for your money now, cause if you slip up a little they'll hold it against you. I don't think he's going to ask for the moon, I think the team will offer 850k and he'll probably ask 1.5M and they'll meet around 1.25.
To me this is rather petty tho. The guy is gonna have a multi million dollar career. Why twist over a couple hundred thousand up front? Regardless, he has the leverage and a good agent. May as well make the future now, right? I am sure the Bolts and JBB will be fair about it, for the organization first, then for Ross Colton. Happy to have the guy on the team last year and show up as an emerging talent. Will be happy if they come to terms. We are gonna win with or without him either way, IMO. Colton is basically rolling the dice here and calling the Bolts bluff. Whatever leverage he has now might not be available to him if he doesn't live up to his Stanley Cup clinching goal on another team. To me, its a no confidence move by his agent. Anyways, if the Bolts lose him, it will be a small footnote in this offseason, and if they keep him, it would be just another miraculous GM move among many.
Some comparables for Colton are Kiviranta 2 x 1.05M, Gambrell 1 x 1.1M, Borgstrom 2 x 1M, Frederic 2 x 1.05M, Texier 2 x 1.525M, Balcers 2 x 1.55M. So if BriseBois is trying to low ball him his agent has some fire power. So either BriseBois comes up or I can see this going to arbitration where BriseBois might have the edge since Colton doesn't have a lot of NHL games.
I am sorry but this logic does not make sense. Kiviranta is the least NHL experienced of the players you mentioned and he has 37 games to Colton's 12. They have the same number of points, but the style of play of the Lightning as opposed to that of the Stars has to be taken into consideration.
I understand that Colton feels the need to use the leverage of scoring the Stanley Cup winning goal and the potential to blossom into a good player into getting a 7 figure contract, but this is not the time for that.
I hope this is not a case of a greedy agent whispering sweet nothings into a young player's ear, as those do not turn out well far more often than not.
Just a guess, but Id bet Colton wants a one year, prove it deal, because he knows he's in a good spot to produce. The team probably doesn't want a difficult contract coming up as the new Point deal kicks in. Probably trying to get two or three years at the same number.