Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread - If the dog days had dog days

[Dipsy Doodle]

Kessel was actually more productive per game vs. Western teams than Eastern last year:

East: 52GP 16G 32A 48PTS
West: 30GP 11G 23A 34 PTS

 

[EightyOne]

I’m not sure any division had worse goaltending than the Metro last year.

Dudes gonna light up MAF and Jones like 20 goals each next year. Watch. Lol.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why should he have a huge decline? He didn't get too much of a boost here from his days in Toronto other than his single 92 point season.

He gets his points pretty much regardless of who he plays with. It's why it made so much sense to put him on the third line.

I mean, if you just look at points and ignore literally all context, you can say this.

Kessel isn't close to what he once was in Toronto. He was legitimately one of the best ES producers in his last few years in Toronto, outside of his terrible end to the 2014-2015 season with Toronto. In Pittsburgh, he just got a **** load of powerplay points while playing with Malkin and playing in a league with much higher scoring. He's not going to average 40 powerplay points a season with Arizona like he did in his last 2 years with Pittsburgh. Even if you assume his ES production will stay about the same, the decrease in powerplay production probably knocks off about 15-20 points on him.

 

[Peat]

Why should he have a huge decline? He didn't get too much of a boost here from his days in Toronto other than his single 92 point season.

He gets his points pretty much regardless of who he plays with. It's why it made so much sense to put him on the third line.

Kessel had a dramatic fall in ES numbers and a dramatic rise in PP numbers.

If his ES numbers stay roughly the same and his PP numbers fall in line with Arizona's PP%, then his numbers are probably going to go down and go down hard.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I should also point out that Galchenyuk is analytically a better powerplay player than Kessel is, and he only managed 21 PP points last year with Arizona. Kessel may hit like 25 powerplay points with Arizona, but I just really struggle to see him hitting much more than that. He averaged around 25 powerplay points per season with Toronto, and Toronto's powerplay was around middle of the pack over Kessel's career there and Kessel was better in those years. As another comparison, Keller in 2017-2018 only had 20 powerplay points with Arizona, which was the most on the team.

 

[Gurglesons]

I should also point out that Galchenyuk is analytically a better powerplay player than Kessel is, and he only managed 21 PP points last year with Arizona. Kessel may hit like 25 powerplay points with Arizona, but I just really struggle to see him hitting much more than that. He averaged around 25 powerplay points per season with Toronto, and Toronto's powerplay was around middle of the pack over Kessel's career there and Kessel was better in those years. As another comparison, Keller in 2017-2018 only had 20 powerplay points with Arizona, which was the most on the team.

Kessel QB’d our powerplay tho’

 

[BHD]

Quarterback is a diplomatic way of putting it.

 

[Andy99]

Quarterback is a diplomatic way of putting it.

Well he Qb’d but he fumbled too much, especially when he thought he’d be sacked...

 

[66-30-33]

I predict 25 goals and 70 points for Kessel.
28 goals and 61 points for Chucky.

 

[Gurglesons]

Quarterback is a diplomatic way of putting it.

I was kinda being sarcastic.

 

[BHD]

I predict 25 goals and 70 points for Kessel.
28 goals and 61 points for Chucky.

25 goals and 60 points for Galchenyuk. I think we're going to see shades of Sykora with him playing next to Geno (assuming that happens).

 

[ColePens]

I predict 25 goals and 70 points for Kessel.
28 goals and 61 points for Chucky.

I honestly hate the comparison predictions. At this time I don't give a shit what 81 does anymore. I wish him well in life and happiness outside of hockey. He is the reason we have 2 Cups here on top of the other 3. Absolutely love his tenure and understand why they had to move on from it with the NTC/age. That's business.

But I just simply don't care what he does in the West.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Kessel QB’d our powerplay tho’

I believe Chucky can do very well at that part of the game as well...

 

[pokey10]

I honestly hate the comparison predictions. At this time I don't give a **** what 81 does anymore. I wish him well in life and happiness outside of hockey. He is the reason we have 2 Cups here on top of the other 3. Absolutely love his tenure and understand why they had to move on from it with the NTC/age. That's business.

But I just simply don't care what he does in the West.

*Laughs in Coldplay lyrics*

 

[ChrisKuuuunitz]

this offseason feels really long for some reason

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I predict 25 goals and 70 points for Kessel.
28 goals and 61 points for Chucky.

Slightly optimistic, IMO, for Galchenyuk. I'd be happy with somewhere in the 20+ goal, 50-ish point range.

 

[Riptide]

His quads look tiny. I think he needs to hang out with Crosby more...

 

[Riptide]

X - Stepan - Kessel could easily have an HBK like impact for them with the right LW, but I think those expecting thirty goals out of Phil will be disappointed.

Perhaps... the difference is that they won't have Crosby and/or Malkin to hide behind.

 

[wej20]

His quads look tiny. I think he needs to hang out with Crosby more...

What was the point of holding the dumbells before the impressive box jump?

 

[LOGiK]

I predict 25 goals and 70 points for Kessel.
28 goals and 61 points for Chucky.

Here is what I expect:

Kessel will be an offensive hog and look to shoot way more on his new team until (and if) he settles in and has good gel'ing line-mates. With this, I would bet he has a breakthrough season on goal output. A rough and ugly +/-

 

[BHD]

I believe Chucky can do very well at that part of the game as well...

Reason #1001 he should be lined up next to Geno.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think we're going to get some clarity on the Pettersson situation this week, with camp starting in 10 days. I believe MP's agent basically said that a contract has to be done this week so Pettersson can get the visa he needs before training camp, so I'd bet we see a move to get cap compliant by the end of this week.

 

[PensandCaps]

There is almost no way he produces that much in Arizona. You're acting like he's not going to have any sort of decline in production by leaving a team with Sid and Geno and going to a terrible offensive team.

I'd be shocked if he gets above 70 points. 60-65 is a fair guess, expecting Kessel to be a PPG player still is crazy unrealistic.

doubt that he fails to get 70.

 

[Empoleon8771]

doubt that he fails to get 70.

Based on what? He's going to drop 15-20 points just from leaving the Penguins powerplay, that alone takes him to 60-65. Do you think he's going to be putting up more than 25 powerplay points? Because the only time he has done that is when he was on a powerplay with Crosby and Malkin.

 

[PensandCaps]

25 goals and 60 points for Galchenyuk. I think we're going to see shades of Sykora with him playing next to Geno (assuming that happens).

Galchenyuk won't top 50 points .

Mostly because hes no longer gonna get #1 PP mins like in Arizona. his 5v5 production is meh.

35-45 points i think