That’s what I meant by backups. If I were a GM I would rather take a chance on a backup than on a not so good starter. Without researching, it seems like either player has a good of chance panning out as a starter and the backup is considerably cheaper. Guys like Dubnyk, Kuemper, etcNo they haven't. The only starting goalies that have been cheaply acquired were cheaply acquired before they were starters.
Byfield is a tremendous skater and that’s why he has been compared to Malkin. Not really sure @Empoleon8771 came up with that one.
Then let him get it in arbitration and trade him at the next TDL. I see no real need to over pay for either ‘tender this year.
I’d go 2x5 for both even.
That’s what I meant by backups. If I were a GM I would rather take a chance on a backup than on a not so good starter. Without researching, it seems like either player has a good of chance panning out as a starter and the backup is considerably cheaper. Guys like Dubnyk, Kuemper, etc
Who are the teams that would be interested in Murray?
Then what is Byfield's problem, then? I thought I read skating was a concern with him, so I understood why there was some hesitation with him. But if he's not a bad skater, why is anyone concerned about Byfield? He's a guy who put up dominating numbers in juniors that can apparently skate well, what's the issue there?
They should just trade Murray and stop beating around the bush, to be honest. It shouldn't even get to arbitration, just rip the band-aid off and get it over with.
I don't know that they'll do that, though.
I think this one is more likely to work for Murray, but I'm still not sure he'll want to eat UFA years. I also think you can get Jarry for cheaper if you're only going 2 years.
Then I'm confused for why he's not a shoe-in at #2 and I've read people being concerned with him
I always thought those concerns were due to his skating, because I thought I read that he was only an okay skater. If that's not the case, I'm not exactly sure why people are concerned with him. Are they concerned he's just dominating juniors because of his size?
Oh okay that makes sense, then.
I do think there are some goalies in that mold that can be acquired this off-season. Jake Allen is a prime one, I think he can be acquired for like a 3rd or 4th. I can definitely see the argument for going for Allen over trading a lot more for Murray, so I can agree with that.
Detroit, Ottawa, Toronto if they lose to the Jackets, San Jose if they can make the money work, Calgary, Buffalo, Minnesota and Carolina all seem like potential fits. Detroit, Ottawa and San Jose seem the most likely.
I like it.I've thrown this idea out before, but I wonder if the Penguins just do Murray to Minnesota for their 1st back. Minnesota had to go with Stalock in the playoffs because of how far Dubnyk has fallen off, and he didn't really do anything to suggest he should keep the role next year (.897 save% in the playoffs).
The Wild have $17 million in cap space with only Greenway and Kunin to re-sign and basically a full roster, and that's with keeping Dubnyk for next year. Dubnyk only has 1 year left on his deal, so they probably have the money to run with Murray-Dubnyk for next year and then let Dubnyk walk after next year.
nah! when your talking the the top ten picks, every little thing is blown way out of proportion. and you would need to be a racist to even bring that up.Tbh his age and his race IMO. I think from everything I’ve seen of him he is a slam dunk.
Murray will go for mid round pick and a prospect. Anyone wanting more will be disappointed.
I'd be down for this. Would include McCann if necessary for a + from Minny.I've thrown this idea out before, but I wonder if the Penguins just do Murray to Minnesota for their 1st back. Minnesota had to go with Stalock in the playoffs because of how far Dubnyk has fallen off, and he didn't really do anything to suggest he should keep the role next year (.897 save% in the playoffs).
The Wild have $17 million in cap space with only Greenway and Kunin to re-sign and basically a full roster, and that's with keeping Dubnyk for next year. Dubnyk only has 1 year left on his deal, so they probably have the money to run with Murray-Dubnyk for next year and then let Dubnyk walk after next year.
I've thrown this idea out before, but I wonder if the Penguins just do Murray to Minnesota for their 1st back. Minnesota had to go with Stalock in the playoffs because of how far Dubnyk has fallen off, and he didn't really do anything to suggest he should keep the role next year (.897 save% in the playoffs).
The Wild have $17 million in cap space with only Greenway and Kunin to re-sign and basically a full roster, and that's with keeping Dubnyk for next year. Dubnyk only has 1 year left on his deal, so they probably have the money to run with Murray-Dubnyk for next year and then let Dubnyk walk after next year.
Their main prospect got AHL goalie of the year. I don't know how much that will play into their thinking but it might be there. But I can see that if there's still money (and the 1st) around after getting the best C they can.
I've thrown this idea out before, but I wonder if the Penguins just do Murray to Minnesota for their 1st back. Minnesota had to go with Stalock in the playoffs because of how far Dubnyk has fallen off, and he didn't really do anything to suggest he should keep the role next year (.897 save% in the playoffs).
The Wild have $17 million in cap space with only Greenway and Kunin to re-sign and basically a full roster, and that's with keeping Dubnyk for next year. Dubnyk only has 1 year left on his deal, so they probably have the money to run with Murray-Dubnyk for next year and then let Dubnyk walk after next year.
I've thrown this idea out before, but I wonder if the Penguins just do Murray to Minnesota for their 1st back. Minnesota had to go with Stalock in the playoffs because of how far Dubnyk has fallen off, and he didn't really do anything to suggest he should keep the role next year (.897 save% in the playoffs).
The Wild have $17 million in cap space with only Greenway and Kunin to re-sign and basically a full roster, and that's with keeping Dubnyk for next year. Dubnyk only has 1 year left on his deal, so they probably have the money to run with Murray-Dubnyk for next year and then let Dubnyk walk after next year.
Yeah, Kahkonen is definitely a good point to mention. I could see them wanting to see what they have out of Kahkonen before deciding to trade for Murray, especially considering Kahkonen is eligible for the expansion draft.
But at the same point, I think there are just a lot of good goalie prospects all throughout the NHL, so if every team with a good goalie prospect didn't trade for a starting goalie because of that prospect, starting goalies wouldn't be traded. Nedeljkovic is an example of that, Hurricanes fans said they wouldn't trade a 2nd for Jarry last off-season because they had Nedeljkovic winning AHL goalie of the year in 2018-2019. He then put up only a .906 save% in the AHL this year.
I thought he was a LW who could play center, in a similar mold to what Guentzel is. That may not be right, but I always thought he was a LW/C.
Either way, I just read that apparently the Kings are leaning towards taking Stutzle at #2. Stutzle is a huge reason I'd be willing to entertain that trade, Byfield doesn't do it for me like Stutzle does. Sure, Byfield may be another Dubois caliber player, but I've seen way too many big center prospects with skating issues fail in the pros. Same reason I'm not crazy about the idea of Murray to Ottawa for Logan Brown.
Then what is Byfield's problem, then? I thought I read skating was a concern with him, so I understood why there was some hesitation with him. But if he's not a bad skater, why is anyone concerned about Byfield? He's a guy who put up dominating numbers in juniors that can apparently skate well, what's the issue there?
Byfield's problem is consistency. He's got all the tools (shooting, passing, skating, size) to be a dominant center, but hasn't put it all together consistently enough.
Skating isn't an issue at all for him.
So the crap Byfield gets is bullshit, then? Criticizing a player with those kind of tools and that kind of production for "consistency" just sounds like trying to find reasons to criticize him. Dunno, if something like skating or hockey IQ isn't an issue with him, I genuinely don't see how he's not the clear #2 pick in this draft.