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The Dube Abides
- Mar 14, 2005
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Don't make me go back and bring up the Burke/Nonis years. I have a feeling you really wouldn't like your track record there.
please, feel free.
Don't make me go back and bring up the Burke/Nonis years. I have a feeling you really wouldn't like your track record there.
What kind of sense does it make to use goal totals to judge a playmaker? Do assists not exist anymore?Also is 20 goals really a number that's supposed to make him look bad?"160 games" with Matthews as his center. Willy scored all of 20 goals per. Nice numbers if you are Brendan Gallagher playing with Tomas Plekanec as your center.
Average player.What kind of sense does it make to use goal totals to judge a playmaker? Do assists not exist anymore?Also is 20 goals really a number that's supposed to make him look bad?
I shouldn’t expect Nylander to exceed his contract?Why? Pastrnak is a player who has outplayed his contract by a huge margin. That's like holding a 6 million player to Scheifele or MacKinnon standard. You really hope for it to happen, but if you set that as a standard then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
We're back to judging playmakers by goals scored, I see.
I think the model is broken
To be fair a large contingent here felt the Pasta comparable was inflated. It looks laughable now. Ehlers was better.I shouldn’t expect Nylander to exceed his contract?
Hasn’t the narrative here for the last 6 months been that Nylander is a closer comparable to Pastrnak than Ehlers?
Isn’t the level of cap rising from 75 mil to 79 mil on Pastrnak 6.6 to Nylander 6.9 equivalent?
Now I’ll conceed that playing on the 3rd line cannot equal the 1st line. Which means we have a problem with either the coach or GM.
So your highest paid winger should be playing with either Matthews/Tavares and I should be expecting offensive production on a 65-70 point level to meet that. That’s my expectations. 80 points + to exceed. At this point, we don’t even have the 60 point pace which is cause for concern and deserving of criticism.
How much do you think Laine is Going to get next season?Since Dec 1st:
Nylander: 23GP 1G 7P
Laine: 28GP 4G 11P (Last 23GP: 4G 9P)
Willian Nylander AAV: 6.96M
Patrick Laine AAV: 0.925M
Just a name I filed in my memoryIs that guy for real? Nice model lol.
two sides to that coin, if god forbid he sucks next year no ones trading for him.If Nylander paces for less than 20 goals and 60 points next year I think you will have a strong case.
However Leafs would be foolish to sell so low on Nylander by moving him before he gets a full season. Even if he plays well you can still trade him and get a better return.
Just bad asset management to consider trading Nylander as this point.
two sides to that coin, if god forbid he sucks next year no ones trading for him.
What kind of absolute bullshit is this?What kind of sense does it make to use goal totals to judge a playmaker? Do assists not exist anymore?Also is 20 goals really a number that's supposed to make him look bad?
So if anybody ever cites teams like Tampa getting their players for cheaper due to taxes, those people are wrong? Or do they have a valid point?Dubas has a disadvantage because he believed in a mantra of taking time to sign players. He should have locked Matthew's and Marner at the first sign that Nylander was being difficult. That means Matthew's at 11 for 8 and Marner at 8.5 for 8.
What kind of absolute bull**** is this?
It was NYLANDER fans saying he should get the Pastrnak contract. When we pointed out that Pastrnak had 34 ****ing goals his contract year, compared to 20 for Nylander, we were told GOALS DON'T ****ING MATTER!!! It's all about p/gp.
But NOW Matthews goal totals are being flautned as to why he should get a big contract.
You get all that? When a LEAF player doesn't have a lot of goals "goals don't matter."
When a LEAF player does have a lot of goals, "goals are everything".
It's BULL****!!! It's ****ING BULL****!!!
Yep, I'm mocking that posters hypocrisy."mocking, not complaining"
the Nylander group is so confident that this could never happen. Of course, if you go look at their predictions for Nylander for this year, you see that they have been wrong before.two sides to that coin, if god forbid he sucks next year no ones trading for him.
that whole group have been wrong all along, he's played 1 really good game this year, how they can justify sayings "any game now, hell break out" is beyond me. For whatever reason the kid isn't firing on all cylinders, and thus far his signing looks like a massive mistake.the Nylander group is so confident that this could never happen. Of course, if you go look at their predictions for Nylander for this year, you see that they have been wrong before.
well he's starting off with no heart and no balls, not a great place to start.that whole group have been wrong all along, he's played 1 really good game this year, how they can justify sayings "any game now, hell break out" is beyond me. For whatever reason the kid isn't firing on all cylinders, and thus far his signing looks like a massive mistake.
At the end of the day, I just hope Nylander starts scoring and putting up points. He should be one of the better players on this team on most nights.
They have a point. The problem is that trying to fix such things can make things worse.So if anybody ever cites teams like Tampa getting their players for cheaper due to taxes, those people are wrong? Or do they have a valid point?
Well, if they have a point, and teams like Tampa can just pay all of their players less money, I'd say that's a HUGE f***ING DISADVANTAGE for the leafs. An unacceptable disadvantage.They have a point. The problem is that trying to fix such things can make things worse.