More points this season Crosby vs Ovi

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Lol. 11 of nadals 17 slams are French. Only 6 without clay. He is a clay specialist

Nadal is a career golden slam champion. Only player to win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in the same year. 1 of 2 players in history to win at least 2 slams on every surface.

Try harder.

 

[TheGuiminator]

Yes those 3 seasons are close to each other. None are close to OV's 3 best though.

Hold on

2006-07 : this season doesn’t get enough love. Do you realize Crosby was the youngest teenager (19 y/o) in NHL history to win the Art Ross (120 points), Hart & Lindsay award? Plus, the second teammate behind him was rookie Malkin with 35 less points. It’s definitely right there with Ovy’s 07/08 season

2009-10 : I agree that season wasn’t anywhere near Ovy’s 07-08 season

2013-14 : Migh not be as impressive as Ovy’s 07/08 season but to say it « isn’t close » make no sense. Sid won the Art Ross trophy by 17 points (most dominating win of the 21st century along with Kane’s 15/16 season). The second teammate behind Sid was Malkin with 34 less points. Not close ? Yes it was

 

[wetcoast]

He finished 2 points ahead of Ovechkin while Ovechkin had nearly 20 more goals(leading the league). Are you honestly going to use a 2 point margin to benefit Crosby?

well 2 points is still 2 points right?

Crosby was the better 200 foot player so yes that makes it close.

Perhaps you were trying to post in the richard thread?

Ovechkin was better last year, I don’t see how it’s debatable. Even the playoffs, Ovechkin walked away with a cup and Smythe, while leading the league in goals in the regular and post season....what did Crosby do?

I'm assuming you are from the East coast but in case you missed it Crosby lead his team to game 7 in the second round with a line of 12-9-12-21 plus 7 which was good for a tie for 5th overall along with his linemate Jake Gunztel.

Funny thing is, if the roles were reversed, I guarantee many in this very thread would say Crosby was better “AINEC.”

Well not me, you can go back and look that I have often said that Ovechkin was very good to great in early round losses in the 08, 09, 10 and 11 playoffs.

But judging by your above comments of what did Crosby do in the playoffs last year, you must think very poorly of Ovechkin in the playoffs, right?

 

[sdf]

Ovechkin is a f***ing loser

 

[wetcoast]

Nadal is a career golden slam champion, something Federer and Djokovic are not. A+ for effort, but as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

Well the thread is about points this season, since Crosby is clearly ahead, your first went down the rabbit hole of something Ovechkin hasn't been in the last 9 years (A serious Art Ross candidate).

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Well the thread is about points this season, since Crosby is clearly ahead, your first went down the rabbit hole of something Ovechkin hasn't been in the last 9 years (A serious Art Ross candidate).

I didn't say anything about OV being an art ross candidate.

But it's weird how when OV was 6pts back in 14/15 he "wasn't a candidate" but Crosby being 17pts behind in 15/16 he was a candidate right? Get real, neither guy has been a candidate for years.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Hold on

2006-07 : this season doesn’t get enough love. Do you realize Crosby was the youngest teenager (19 y/o) in NHL history to win the Art Ross (120 points), Hart & Lindsay award? Plus, the second teammate behind him was rookie Malkin with 35 less points. It’s definitely right there with Ovy’s 07/08 season

2009-10 : I agree that season wasn’t anywhere near Ovy’s 07-08 season

2013-14 : Migh not be as impressive as Ovy’s 07/08 season but to say it « isn’t close » make no sense. Sid won the Art Ross trophy by 17 points (most dominating win of the 21st century along with Kane’s 15/16 season). The second teammate behind Sid was Malkin with 34 less points. Not close ? Yes it was

None of Crosby's seasons are close to OV's 07/08. 06/07 and 13/14 have an argument against OV's 08/09 and 09/10 though.

 

[wetcoast]

I didn't say anything about OV being an art ross candidate.

But it's weird how when OV was 6pts back in 14/15 he "wasn't a candidate" but Crosby being 17pts behind in 15/16 he was a candidate right? Get real, neither guy has been a candidate for years.

The thing is that Crosby is a lot more than his scoring and has been for a while, with Ovy it's basically his scoring and some leadership enthusiasm skills.

Also in 15/16 crosby was 2nd in Hart voting.

Coach Mike Johnson had his Dmen passing back and forth to each other avoiding the fast break which really hampered the Pens offense for a bit that season.

Meanwhile back to the thread Crosby will have more points than Ovechkin, that's pretty clear.

 

[wetcoast]

I didn't say anything about OV being an art ross candidate.

But it's weird how when OV was 6pts back in 14/15 he "wasn't a candidate" but Crosby being 17pts behind in 15/16 he was a candidate right? Get real, neither guy has been a candidate for years.

Actually you did bring up Ovechkin's peak which did center around his being an Art ross candidate.

But hang onto that as he slips away from Crosby further and further.....

Ovechkin is going to go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time but there is no shame to being clearly 2nd fiddle to Crosby post lockout.

 

[Hippasus]

13-14 was one of his worst seasons of his career

Even if that were true (I doubt it is), that wouldn't mean much considering one of Ovechkin's best attributes is his extended prime.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Even if that were true #(I DOdoubt it is), that wouldn't mean much considering one of mOvechkin's best attriabuters is his extended prime.

Ovechkins prime was obv great but after 09-10 his play dropped greatly. He went from a 110 point player to and 70-80 point player overnight.

 

[GreatGonzo]

well 2 points is still 2 points right?

Crosby was the better 200 foot player so yes that makes it close.

Perhaps you were trying to post in the richard thread?



I'm assuming you are from the East coast but in case you missed it Crosby lead his team to game 7 in the second round with a line of 12-9-12-21 plus 7 which was good for a tie for 5th overall along with his linemate Jake Gunztel.



Well not me, you can go back and look that I have often said that Ovechkin was very good to great in early round losses in the 08, 09, 10 and 11 playoffs.

But judging by your above comments of what did Crosby do in the playoffs last year, you must think very poorly of Ovechkin in the playoffs, right?

It’s 2 more assists compared to the best goal scorer that year, so no I don’t think so. You can glorify 2 points all you want, but it’s ridiculous. Also Crosby didn’t have a very strong year defensively for the most part. He struggled for nearly half the season. Besides, his “200 foot game” wasn’t significant enough to make a point for it, sorry.

Well first it was 6 games, not 7.... and Guentzel had the same amount of points with one more goal, so is Guenztel better than Ovechkin that year? That’s how silly you sound. So getting bounced in the first round is better than going on to win the cup with a Smythe....wow, weird how the standards always seem to change when it comes to Crosby. So by your logic, Ovechkin was clearly better than Crosby in ‘09.

That’s a weird strawman you pulled out of your rear end there. So because I think Ovechkin was better last year means I think Crosby’s playoff run wasn’t great? No, but nice try. It’s more you not realizing that as great as Crosby AND Guenztel were, you seem to think that getting bounced in the 2nd round regardless is superior to going on and winning the cup and Smythe. That’s the logic you decided to stand with and I’m not going to lie to you, it’s weak.

By your judgements, it seems like Crosby can get bounced out of any round, and still be King.....but could also go on to win a cup and be better than someone who got bounced out fo the early rounds.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I think everyone can agree that Ovechkins peak was better with his highest peak season being better. Although close, both favor Ovi.

OV had the better peak season and Crosby had the highest peak level of play.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Well the thread is about points this season, since Crosby is clearly ahead, your first went down the rabbit hole of something Ovechkin hasn't been in the last 9 years (A serious Art Ross candidate).

Ovechkin finishes 4th in scoring in ‘15, being 6 points back from first while Crosby’s last contention had him 2nd in points and 11 points back from first.

So let’s recap, 4 years isn’t 9, and being 6 points away from the leader is a lot closer than 11, or in your words...”more serious.”

Now if you would have said that Crosby has more RECENT seasons being somewhat an Art Ross contender, then yes. But you didn’t. In fact you didn’t say anything factual at all.

Try again.

 

[GreatGonzo]

OV had the better peak season and Crosby had the highest peak level of play.

I don’t think Crosby’s 41 games in 2011 is stronger than Ovechkins 41 games in 2010. In fact they are extremely similar.

Ovechkin: 41-30-35-65
Crosby: 41-32-34-66

The next Closest teammate for Ovi was Backstrom at 46 points in 41 games. The next closest was Malkin 34 points in 36 games. Crosby was more dominant over his teammates, but I don’t think that should mean his level of play was higher. The caps had more talent while Ovechkin was the best of them.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

So then I’ll assume you guys agree that Crosby on a per game basis was the best player in 16-17. Missed 7 games. On pace for 97 points only 3 less than Mcdavid with 48 goals. 18 more. GOALZ

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I don’t think Crosby’s 41 games in 2011 is stronger than Ovechkins 41 games in 2010. In fact they are extremely similar.

Ovechkin: 41-30-35-65
Crosby: 41-32-34-66

The next Closest teammate for Ovi was Backstrom at 46 points in 41 games. The next closest was Malkin 34 points in 36 games. Crosby was more dominant over his teammates, but I don’t think that should mean his level of play was higher. The caps had more talent while Ovechkin was the best of them.

Sorry Crosby has two more goals so he wins

 

[GreatGonzo]

So then I’ll assume you guys agree that Crosby on a per game basis was the best player in 16-17. Missed 7 games. On pace for 97 points only 3 less than Mcdavid with 48 goals. 18 more. GOALZ

I don’t understand, are you trying to be cute or just your obnoxious self? Is there a point among all that nonesense that you attempted to form into sentences?

So your using “pace” to account for raw totals(lol) and using an argument for him being better than McDavid because he had more goals, but a lesser PPG and points overall? McDavid won the Hart and Lindsay that year.....so no he clearly wasn’t better because he had “moar goalzzz!”

Sorry Crosby has two more goals so he wins

Ovechkin had 20 more and 2 less points. Add a cup, Smythe, and Rocket.

He finished 9th in the Hart race compared to Crosby’s 17th(one vote).

anything else?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I don’t understand, are you trying to be cute or just your obnoxious self? Is there a point among all that nonesense that you attempted to form into sentences?

So your using “pace” to account for raw totals(lol) and using an argument for him being better than McDavid because he had more goals, but a lesser PPG and points overall? McDavid won the Hart and Lindsay that year.....so no he clearly wasn’t better because he had “moar goalzzz!”

Ovechkin had 20 more and 2 less points. Add a cup, Smythe, and Rocket.

He finished 9th in the Hart race compared to Crosby’s 17th(one vote).

anything else?

I was clearly talking about you comparing there peak 41 games. Anything else?

 

[GreatGonzo]

Hold on

2006-07 : this season doesn’t get enough love. Do you realize Crosby was the youngest teenager (19 y/o) in NHL history to win the Art Ross (120 points), Hart & Lindsay award? Plus, the second teammate behind him was rookie Malkin with 35 less points. It’s definitely right there with Ovy’s 07/08 season

2009-10 : I agree that season wasn’t anywhere near Ovy’s 07-08 season

2013-14 : Migh not be as impressive as Ovy’s 07/08 season but to say it « isn’t close » make no sense. Sid won the Art Ross trophy by 17 points (most dominating win of the 21st century along with Kane’s 15/16 season). The second teammate behind Sid was Malkin with 34 less points. Not close ? Yes it was

Don’t you think Crosby’s ‘07 should maybe take a bit of a back seat considered he had half his points on the PP that year and was in a significantly higher scoring era? Your right it’s impressive considering how young he was.

 

[Hippasus]

Ovechkins prime was obv great but after 09-10 his play dropped greatly. He went from a 110 point player to and 70-80 point player overnight.

I think 15-16 Ovechkin is still prime Ovechkin. This season too. Peak is different from prime. He had maybe three worse seasons than 15-16 on account of historical goal-scoring domination that season.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I was clearly talking about you comparing there peak 41 games. Anything else?

Ok...why? Your seriously making zero sense in what your arguing. Your whole 2 goal comment was obviously a cute little back hander in attempt to belittle the fact that Ovechkin was better than Crosby last season because he scored TWENTY more and lead the league in goals.....

Their peaks aren’t really close. You have Crosby’s half season with 2 others riddled with injuries and Ovechkins ‘08-‘10 monster three years. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way it happened. You can give Crosby more cudos based on how you think he would have done, or we can go off of what happened.

 

[GreatGonzo]

I think 15-16 Ovechkin is still prime Ovechkin. This season too. Peak is different from prime.

He’s also forgetting that Ovechkin won a Hart and Rocket 3 years later.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

He’s also forgetting that Ovechkin won a Hart and Rocket 3 years later.

Thanks to a slap shot to the face lol

56 points in 36 games
56 points in 48 games
Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to see Crosby was by far the better player. As everyone knows.

 

[wetcoast]

It’s 2 more assists compared to the best goal scorer that year, so no I don’t think so. You can glorify 2 points all you want, but it’s ridiculous. Also Crosby didn’t have a very strong year defensively for the most part. He struggled for nearly half the season. Besides, his “200 foot game” wasn’t significant enough to make a point for it, sorry.

No you are right being good in the faceoff circle and being voted 9th for the Selke isn't worth mentioning because it's not goals. Am I doing this right?

Actually his 200 foot game was really good as he led the team in CF% with 55.9%.

For reference Malkin was 53.2% and Kessel was 51.6 despite them getting better zone starts.
(Something to keep in mind for the offseason as Crosby is even better at driving the play this year for the Pens but no doubt you and tiny black rubber objects will bring up goals, goals and more goals)

Well first it was 6 games, not 7.... and Guentzel had the same amount of points with one more goal, so is Guenztel better than Ovechkin that year? That’s how silly you sound.

Well you asked what Crosby did in the playoffs, are you suggesting Gunztel was driving the play?

At least Crosby was tied for scoring for the Pens in the playoffs, something Ovechkin didn't reach.

Now this is the first time I actually referred to Ovechkin's playoffs, your strawman aside.

I have no idea on the Gunztel- Ovechkin reference in this quote as it's not coherent at all what you are asking or even referring to.

So getting bounced in the first round is better than going on to win the cup with a Smythe....wow, weird how the standards always seem to change when it comes to Crosby. So by your logic, Ovechkin was clearly better than Crosby in ‘09.

I never referenced Ovechkin smythe last year, was simply replying to this quote of yours here

Funny thing is, if the roles were reversed, I guarantee many in this very thread would say Crosby was better “AINEC.”

Once again when Ovechkin got bounced and layed well in the 3 years mentioned I would give him credit for it, no double standard, no idea on your rambling diatribe about Ovechkin and crosby in 09 there was nothing referenced there by me, you are simply making things up

That’s a weird strawman you pulled out of your rear end there. So because I think Ovechkin was better last year means I think Crosby’s playoff run wasn’t great? No, but nice try.

Once again you clearly asked this,

Even the playoffs, Ovechkin walked away with a cup and Smythe, while leading the league in goals in the regular and post season....what did Crosby do?

If you thought Crosby's playoffs were great just say so because you clearly asked "what did he (Crosby) do" like you didn't know or something?

It’s more you not realizing that as great as Crosby AND Guenztel were, you seem to think that getting bounced in the 2nd round regardless is superior to going on and winning the cup and Smythe.

Once again find where i even said anything close to that? I'll help you once again becasue I never referenced Ovechkin playoffs in that replay, instead it all led back to your "what did Crosby do" comment.

That’s the logic you decided to stand with and I’m not going to lie to you, it’s weak.

I stand on the facts presented, instead you are making things up here that I clearly never said.

Crosby finished tied for 5th in playoff scoring despite playing in 2 rounds. That's a fact, right?

By your judgements, it seems like Crosby can get bounced out of any round, and still be King.....but could also go on to win a cup and be better than someone who got bounced out fo the early rounds.

My judgements weren't made you made them up plain and simple but nice strawman there.

Players can still be great in the playoffs even if their teams advance, something I referenced with Ovechkin early on in his career.

Are you disputing that?

Usually your posts are pretty relevant, no idea on what you are doing with this post, maybe it's drinking time on the east coast?