majormajor
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My only question is "how much"? What's the Jackets walk-away point on an 8 year deal? I have to think it's close to $8m, maybe even higher.
While I still think he will move on, and it would be for the best interest for the club to let him move on, I still think he's a hell of a player that gets an unfair rep because of one coincidence.
My only question is "how much"? What's the Jackets walk-away point on an 8 year deal? I have to think it's close to $8m, maybe even higher.
While we can get some stop gaps, I highly doubt we have the opportunity to bring any players in that are of Duchene or Panarins caliber unless they're homegrown talent.
Yes, but only because Chicago was in a pinch. Opportunities like that don't present themselves everyday. Just my opinion but I think he fits in perfectly with the team. And I'd bet if he sticks around he and Cam become a dangerous duo next season.In the near term, yes. But over the course of an 8 year contract, we'll get some good players, and feel the contract pinch at some point. Jarmo acquired Panarin in the first place, did he not?
Be prepared.I'd say 8 to 8.5 is the most Jarmo should pay and preferably no NTC or NMC, At the very least a modified NTC starting as soon as possible. 8 years for a 28 year old is a bit dicey. Maybe more $ and fewer years? I definitely think he should be re-signed but the long term issues need to be considered.
I'd say 8 to 8.5 is the most Jarmo should pay and preferably no NTC or NMC, At the very least a modified NTC starting as soon as possible. 8 years for a 28 year old is a bit dicey. Maybe more $ and fewer years? I definitely think he should be re-signed but the long term issues need to be considered.
I think it will have a full NMC and be an 8 year deal. I'd feel much better about a 6 year deal -- the downside scenario is he tails off badly around age 33, like Spezza, and we still have to pay him a couple more years. That hurt Dallas, and it would hurt us, but it hasn't killed them, and I doubt it would be that big of a problem for us.
The ability to offer an 8 year deal is one of the Jackets few advantages. The NMC part is just standard for a big deal like this, and with the way Duchene has been kicked around so far in his career, and now having a young family, it's just about certain he'll insist on controlling his movements.
I expect 8m x 8, just like the Johansen deal, but with full NMC and up front money.
I think his market with other winning teams is limited due to their cap space. But we will see....If you were Duchene would you sign for 8 years with the CBJ? He wants to play for a winning team. That rules out the Jackets. Plenty of other winning teams will make him an offer.
I think his market with other winning teams is limited due to their cap space. But we will see....
If money was the most important thing to duchene he would have signed with Ottawa when they offered him, in his words, a fair contract. It appears he would forgo more money in aav if it meant he played for an annual contender. This is why I believe he will leave and sign with Nashville, who everyone thinks is where he’d most like to be.
They’ll let Simmonds and Boyle walk and be able to give him a nice payday, and he gets his yearly contender.
Ottawa is also a complete dumpster fire (both on and, perhaps more importantly, off the ice/with ownership). I don’t think he necessarily needs to be on a contender. I do think he wants away from complete messes, which we are not.
Then why would he not sign a contract when he was traded here, like Mark Stone in Vegas?
I won't profess to know what's in Matt's head, he might be set on the charm of Nashville. But the idea that their franchise is somehow going to be in a different category of success from the Jackets I think is overstated. I wouldn't expect the Jackets to finish ahead of Nashville next year, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they do. With all the bad luck and genuine dysfunction that has befallen the Jackets in the last month, and the much more difficult conference play, they're 4 points back of Nashville with a game in hand. Nashville isn't that good.
The idea that the Jackets are entering some kind of rebuild / dark period is a paranoid delusion. With Duchene, the Jackets would have all the basics in place except for that elite forward when Panarin is gone. I can think of a team in central Tennessee that has that same issue - solid depth, great D, lacks elite forward (no one in the top 50 of scoring in the NHL).
In the very good possibility that the CBJ lose all of Duchene, Panarin, Bob, and Dzingel. In what way is a roster losing two top line players, a middle 6 player, and elite starting goalie NOT entering a sort of rebuild? I don't think even the biggest pessimist would think this roster is going back to the old CBJ days or Edmonton like rebuild where we suck for years and years. But I think a significant step back for a few years before competing in the next 2-3 is entirely plausible. You can factor in UFA's coming as well, such as potentially Skinner, Eberle, Hayes, or Nyquist, but their impact wouldn't match anything close to whats lost, and would just be throwing money at people to remain a competitive bubble team MAYBE. No combination of realistic pickups could make this roster better next year than it is now, and this roster isn't even going to make the playoffs.
Bad luck has a factor in why we're here, but not that big. The failure rests by the coaches and players.
Losing all those players hurts, and will surely drag the Jackets down in the standings, but from what reference point? This year's record? What exactly have Duchene and Dzingel contributed to this year's record? The team had a better record before they got here. Bobrovsky will be missed, I don't like our chances as much without him, but he's been league average this year, our goaltending could even be better next year (only with a new coach). And like I was saying, we don't have Panarin, but neither does Nashville. Neither did the 108 pt 2017 Blue Jackets.
Why is it not a rebuild? Because they're not losing the core of the team. Because they've got more than enough youth already. Because they're dropping from a ridiculous number of 20 goal scorers to a still well above average number of them.
We've seen this around the league over and over again - a team's shooting percentage goes in the tank (in the Jackets case, drops by half) and people randomly blame everything and everyone for the team's failure. Then the shooting percentage bounces back, and they start winning again, because the fundamentals didn't really change.
The only for sure 20 goal scorer on the roster next year is Atkinson. PLD and Anderson seem like good bets to get there too, but I would hesitate to say for sure. Bjorkstrand certainly has that potential, but that's it for right now.