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I would but it would require you to turn back one page and ACTUALLY READ IT
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I would but it would require you to turn back one page and ACTUALLY READ IT
i'm literally posting the same stats over and over again. Its clear you never looked the first time and you are looking now. Simple goals and pts stats are TOO MUCH stats for some people.
LMAO
moving on.....who's next?
Yes we get it Marners sucks, trade the little ****.
He will never find a Tavares to boost his points.
Crap players you suck get rid of him .Probably couldn't trade him for a 7 th Rd pick .
We get it he sucks.
Don't really want to get involved in what's going on here, just want to point out that @Notsince67 is absolutely right about looking at Marner's numbers away from Tavares this year. The sample size is so small that it's virtually meaningless. Add that a significant portion of it is discombobulated post-PK shift changes and it's utterly useless.
Agreed but you could say the same about cherry picking the last 30 games of 2 seasons ago (selectively and arbitrarily picking a date that works the best) to state as fact Marner was already destined to have a 90+ point season.
Thanks but I realize I am wasting my time. I was one of the most vocal supporters of Tavares joining the leafs and I still think he is a fantastic player. This binary discussion has morphed into this guy is great so this guy must be bad is how this discussion has turned and I don't want to feed it any longer. I dont mind discussing relative worth but the hyperbole is just out of control. The recipe being mixed in this discussion is analogous to an argument of people choosing between bricks or mortar in building a house. That isn't how hockey is played. I should know better than to waste my time responding to proverbial cold fusion theories and will be more judicious in my time.Don't really want to get involved in what's going on here, just want to point out that @Notsince67 is absolutely right about looking at Marner's numbers away from Tavares this year. The sample size is so small that it's virtually meaningless. Add that a significant portion of it is discombobulated post-PK shift changes and it's utterly useless.
It is not an arbitrary date but a date when Marner started playing with Kadri and it was 40 games including the playoffs. So a large sample compared to a small sample size.Agreed but you could say the same about cherry picking the last 30 games of 2 seasons ago (selectively and arbitrarily picking a date that works the best) to state as fact Marner was already destined to have a 90+ point season.
How is it cherry picking when you’re talking about a player developing? The coach put him on the fourth line early in the year with an eye in developing a complete player. In the second half of the season (not to mention his exceptional rookie season) he excelled, so that isn’t cherry picking that’s the natural progression you expect from a young pro. It’s kind of ridiculous in my view to not account for growth and take the latest sample set to extrapolate future potential. Marner also carried on in the playoffs, the sample was actually 50 games.Agreed but you could say the same about cherry picking the last 30 games of 2 seasons ago (selectively and arbitrarily picking a date that works the best) to state as fact Marner was already destined to have a 90+ point season.
How is it cherry picking when you’re talking about a player developing? The coach put him on the fourth line early in the year with an eye in developing a complete player. In the second half of the season (not to mention his exceptional rookie season) he excelled, so that isn’t cherry picking that’s the natural progression you expect from a young pro. It’s kind of ridiculous in my view to not account for growth and take the latest sample set to extrapolate future potential. Marner also carried on in the playoffs, the sample was actually 50 games.
There were many of us here who predicted a massive year for Marner based on his progression the year prior, supported by the stats. Factor in a great center like JT and plus point per game campaign looked downright reasonable. If people didn’t see it coming, I question their ability to access talent, because everything we saw the last 50 games of his second year pointed to a kid putting it together, poised to succeed. Cherry picking or ripening fruit?
Agreed but you could say the same about cherry picking the last 30 games of 2 seasons ago (selectively and arbitrarily picking a date that works the best) to state as fact Marner was already destined to have a 90+ point season.
Absolutely. Best to look at the their body of work in their ELCs. When on the ice, Marner generates an insane amount of primary production (Malkin-level) v.s. when on the ice Matthews scores an insane amount of goals (Ovechkin-level).
I don't disagree with your overall premise, but Marner barely played at all on the 4th line, so you really need to stop using that.
Just to chime in, I don't think people are arguing you weight each year equally, but I do believe the whole body of work is releveant nonetheless.
In context you're right. If show much improvement in your ELC, (ala Pastrnak, Marner, etc), that should be much more impressive than staying relatively consistent (ala Nylander).
It's interesting imo because statistically sure, Nylander from year 2 to year 3 of his ELC didn't improve, but I'd say he was still getting better throughout. It's just hard a lot of the time for people to quantify how much without the metrics (myself included). We all like to have numbers simplify things for us, but sometimes, I think they go too far.
That is your opinion but here is something for you. I dont come here for a therapy session so perhaps you can save it for someone else. I dont have a lot of tolerance for folks who find it titilating to spit at good players on the team. If my manner somehow distresses you, get a hug from your significant other or mother. I cant help you here. This is about hockey and it can be a blood sport.
I didn't mean agents wouldn't want him...
I meant he wouldn't need an agent, if he's going to tell his agent what to do and say and what to accept as an offer. That defeats the purpose of hiring an agent.
Marner is better defensively. He reads the plays better and despite what you say he provides down lower coverage a lot as he is most always the first forward back into our zone. He uses his superior skating ability to steer players into Coverage and it is so evident I simply can not understand how anyone can miss it. On the pk he is among the best in the league at being the steer man and pressure the puck carrier into bad passes or he strips them.
I would take your bet as I know every player I have talked to feels like Marner is our best player on all sides of the puck.