Rumor: Kypreos: Lots of interest in Dougie Hamilton; not being shopped

[Calgareee]

What would Calgary legitimately want for Hamilton if Toronto offered something?

I know he isn't being shopped but if he was going to be moved what would they look for?

Honestly one of your young guns is the only thing that really fits the age/need of the team. One of Marner/Nylander or Reilly would have to be on the table with an add of some kind from Calgary.

 

[Morbo]

Honestly one of your young guns is the only thing that really fits the age/need of the team. One of Marner/Nylander or Reilly would have to be on the table with an add of some kind from Calgary.

Makes no sense for the Leafs to do this.

They need to be patient and try to fill holes from within or perhaps via a free agent or two. None of their top 3 young guys will be moved, especially this year.

 

[Calgareee]

Makes no sense for the Leafs to do this.

They need to be patient and try to fill holes from within or perhaps via a free agent or two. None of their top 3 young guys will be moved, especially this year.

100% agree. Guy asked what it would take from Toronto and from Calgary's perspective there's nothing else worth moving Dougie for.

 

[tony d]

Calgary needs a shakeup. Trading Hamilton could be that shakeup.

 

[mpp9]

DH is simply not playing a lot because Engelland is suddenly playing like a God, and DH got paired with Grossmann for a few games... In reality DH would still do well as a 2nd pairing D.

Wait. Hamilton isn't playing as much because of Deryk Engelland?

 

[Lunatik]

The rebuild has been going for ages, its time to accelerate it. Pacs, as opposed to HF's opinion, has substantial value. If Hamilton is being shopped or offered than Pacs would be the best offer. Bennet as good as he will become, would be the add. Maybe not a first to counter-value the addition but something around that. Maybe Juulsen, who will be NHL ready next year, or McCarron would be enough value wise.
But I doubt both teams make something this big, but then again, this is HF.

4 years is ages? And if you read actually the OP, you would have seen that Hamilton is not being shopped. And Bennett is as good as he will become as a 20 year old in his 2nd season? What a terrible ****ing post.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

No it's not a close comparison. One is a offensive dman and the other is a defensive dman. Pretty black and white really. Jbo is lucky if he cracks 25pts in a season. Whereas Dougie has 50, even 60pt upside. Jbo has a muffin of a shot from the blueline, he usually just tries to throw it on net using a low wrister. Dougie can outright blast the puck, not quite as hard as Dion, but a little better than Wideman. Their skating and passing ability is the only thing that is similar.

Similar builds, similar skating styles, similar abilities, similar in that they mostly throw wristers on net, similar in that they both leave you wanting more.
Yeah, I'm still going to say I think it's a fair comp.
As far as potential, JBo also had tons but the offence never materialized like we'd want. Still his overall package made him a Team Canada regular.
Until Dougie regularly hits 50 you cannot say he is better offensively than JBo was.

 

[Barness01]

Nurse+Fayne for Hamilton+Wideman

 

[caley]

Similar builds, similar skating styles, similar abilities, similar in that they mostly throw wristers on net, similar in that they both leave you wanting more.
Yeah, I'm still going to say I think it's a fair comp.
As far as potential, JBo also had tons but the offence never materialized like we'd want. Still his overall package made him a Team Canada regular.
Until Dougie regularly hits 50 you cannot say he is better offensively than JBo was.

Actually an interesting comparison. It's easy to forget in light of his last few 13 and 19 point seasons, that Bouwmeester, before he got to Calgary in his 23-26 year-old seasons had three seasons of 42 or better points and one 37 point season. Oddly with Calgary he never cracked the 30 point barrier, yet his first full season outside Calgary saw him rebound to 37 points.

 

[gqmixmaster]

Nurse+Fayne for Hamilton+Wideman

Change Nurse to Reinhart maybe

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Actually an interesting comparison. It's easy to forget in light of his last few 13 and 19 point seasons, that Bouwmeester, before he got to Calgary in his 23-26 year-old seasons had three seasons of 42 or better points and one 37 point season. Oddly with Calgary he never cracked the 30 point barrier, yet his first full season outside Calgary saw him rebound to 37 points.

We basically shoehorned him as a defensive defenseman. Which was weird, because we had Reghere, Sarich, etc.

That is a big reason that Jbo wasn't amazing in Calgary. He was still pretty damn good, but he was expected to be a different player than he had been.

 

[Rangers ftw]

Wait. Hamilton isn't playing as much because of Deryk Engelland?

Lol, this

 

[Lunatik]

Actually an interesting comparison. It's easy to forget in light of his last few 13 and 19 point seasons, that Bouwmeester, before he got to Calgary in his 23-26 year-old seasons had three seasons of 42 or better points and one 37 point season. Oddly with Calgary he never cracked the 30 point barrier, yet his first full season outside Calgary saw him rebound to 37 points.

The problem was Brent Sutter, he completely neutered the offensive game of Bouwmeester. When Hartley took over for the lockout shortened season, Bouwmeester had 15 points in 33 games before he was dealt.

 

[Lunatik]

Wait. Hamilton isn't playing as much because of Deryk Engelland?

He's not playing as much as Engelland because Engelland can kill penalties and is probably playing the best hockey of his career. You can laugh all you want but outside of a couple blunders Engelland has been excellent this year.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Fun fact; Kris Russell has more ice time per game than Adam Larsson and Andrej Sekera. In fact, almost double the penalty kill time over prized defensive stalwart Larsson.

So what do we extrapolate from that, if we view it the same way as Hamilton? After all, nearly his entire tenure in Calgary he was said to be bad defensively, and during the trade deadline and offseason he was labelled as garbage.

Playing time means nothing sometimes.

 

[vipernsx]

So Treliving was at habs / wings game tonight

i wonder who he was looking at

Mantha was called up a couple games ago.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Nurse+Fayne for Hamilton+Wideman

Bad deal for flames.

So when is the big piece coming for Hamilton?

I got a dream to

Maatta for Hamilton
But I know that isn't happening

 

[victor]

Nurse+Fayne for Hamilton+Wideman

Can't, due to the contracts.

Edmonton can't take on $6.5 extra in salary this year, and $5.75m for the next 4 for Hamilton.

Nurse is expansion exempt, and makes $863k this year and next.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Fleury+Sprong+Schultz for Hamilton+Elliot

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Fleury+Sprong+Schultz for Hamilton+Elliot

Apart from this being awful, I'd only accept this deal if there was a conditional trade to send Schultz to Edmonton for a 3rd cause lulz

 

[Lunatik]

Fun fact; Kris Russell has more ice time per game than Adam Larsson and Andrej Sekera. In fact, almost double the penalty kill time over prized defensive stalwart Larsson.

So what do we extrapolate from that, if we view it the same way as Hamilton? After all, nearly his entire tenure in Calgary he was said to be bad defensively, and during the trade deadline and offseason he was labelled as garbage.

Playing time means nothing sometimes.

the only people calling Russell terrible are the advanced stats bible thumpers

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

the only people calling Russell terrible are the advanced stats bible thumpers

I guess the point didn't get across. I like Kris Russell and don't think he's bad. It's just that was consensus on here for some reason for awhile, and now he's playing more than Edmonton's top young guys. Similar to how Hamilton isn't getting as much ice time at even strength compared to some guys. Ice time doesn't gauge players ability, which seemed to have been suggested. Coaches ride who's hot, ride veterans, etc.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

I thought this thread was about Dougie Hamilton for some reason.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

I will give you Maatta and Fleury for it.

 

[Lunatik]

I will give you Maatta and Fleury for it.

And we're not interested in them