thaman8765678
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It's Dreger, put your money on Kreider re signing first thing tomorrow morning.
Yea except that’s not how arguments work. You can’t even prove your own point other than lOoK iT uP.
Are you really this dense?
I'd rather the Avs do absolutely nothing than any of that. Krieder would be fine as long as we don't give up a first or any of the aforementioned prospects that Joe won't be trading. I get that isn't likely and so the Rags can lose him for nothing after this season then.I'd rather not. 20 games + playoff run of Kreider IMO isn't worth close to what the Rangers will be asking for him.
I'd rather look into other options like AA and maybe even Thornton before I do that.
Kreider's a freak athlete. Grabner's still flying at 32/33, no reason Kreider's legs wont keep up at least that long
They’re both fast skaters. The difference is Kreider can play hockey. Grabner can’t.Hasn't Grabner been a healthy scratch for all of February?
Name one power forward whose game is predicated on speed that aged well into his mid or late 30s...
That contract will be regrettable
That said, kreiders the type of player that will be a huge impact player or a ghost. Depending on where he goes and how well he fits in to the new team
I think that’s what they would like to do. He may be looking for more.I really think the Rangers should working something out with Kreider for 5-6 years. For one, he's still just 28 so he has some very nice years left. He's a good team guy and fan-favorite. The Rangers have very nice chemistry right not--and the way they're playing I wouldn't rule them out of sneaking into the playoffs and getting hot. Unless another is legit willing to overpay--say a 1st rounder and a decent prospect--you keep him and try to extend him before UFA opens up.
I don't get why everyone's saying he's about to fall off a cliff. he's only 28 and he's a very athletic player; I'm not super concerned that he's about to "lose a step" or something. I just think it'd be better for everyone if the Rangers would just lock him up. If there's really no reason to think he's gonna slow down, then he'll be worth the contract he'd command this summer, and they keep their guy. No one is gonna throw away a good prospect for him, and I would be surprised to see him pull anything more than a very-late 1st. is that worth losing him? If it's known that he won't resign in New York, that's a different story, but I wasn't under that impression
@JoemAvs - a lot of those guys never skated like Kreider can
Because the past is a good predictor for the future. And you are dead wrong on that one.
Look at bigger forwards getting paid approaching 30. Lets just say the list is beyond ugly. Between Clarkson, Clowe, Lucic, Neal, Backes, Ladd, Okposo and a ton of others that got paid in UFA almost none of them have worked out. There is a reason why the Rangers who know him best are not willing to meet his valuation so far. They know whats up. Same goes for Landeskog by the way. Gabes next contract will be ugly for the Avs as well. But they won't have a choice with their captain. Which makes getting Kreider even more iffy for the Avs and I really hope they won't end up with him tonight...
1) Gordie Howe
2) Jaromir Jagr
3) Claude Lemiuex
4) Shane Doan
I named 4 should I keep going? These guys also played well into their 40's
This notion of power forwards not aging well couldn't be more off. When these guys are actually some of the people to play the longest
Obviously those players are more skilled but im comparing physical styles power forwards with speed. When they slow down they rely on their strength and typically these type of players are the ones who last over compared to a player who is just speed and skill reliant
Because the past is a good predictor for the future. And you are dead wrong on that one.
Look at bigger forwards getting paid approaching 30. Lets just say the list is beyond ugly. Between Clarkson, Clowe, Lucic, Neal, Backes, Ladd, Okposo and a ton of others that got paid in UFA almost none of them have worked out. There is a reason why the Rangers who know him best are not willing to meet his valuation so far. They know whats up. Same goes for Landeskog by the way. Gabes next contract will be ugly for the Avs as well. But they won't have a choice with their captain. Which makes getting Kreider even more iffy for the Avs and I really hope they won't end up with him tonight...
Kreider is one of, if not the best net front player in the league.Name one power forward whose game is predicated on speed that aged well into his mid or late 30s...
That contract will be regrettable
That said, kreiders the type of player that will be a huge impact player or a ghost. Depending on where he goes and how well he fits in to the new team
Because he is not playing for the Leafs where the player value amplifies x100.Kreider is one of, if not the best net front player in the league.
Why does nobody talk about this?
Yeah you should probably keep going. Because you listed some outliers going back decades which also happen to be surefire HOFers and some of the best players of all time. Not really surprising that these guys are capable of defying the odds considering how far ahead they were in comparison to their peers. Could have also listed Ovi there.
The only somewhat comparable guy that wasn't a superstar is Lemieux. And Claude also a very unique kind of guy to say the least.
I really think the Rangers should working something out with Kreider for 5-6 years. For one, he's still just 28 so he has some very nice years left. He's a good team guy and fan-favorite. The Rangers have very nice chemistry right not--and the way they're playing I wouldn't rule them out of sneaking into the playoffs and getting hot. Unless another is legit willing to overpay--say a 1st rounder and a decent prospect--you keep him and try to extend him before UFA opens up.
Indeed, the divide on the contract term, with the Rangers offering six years and Kreider asking for the seven years he will almost certainly command on the open market July 1, remained an immovable obstacle neither side was able or willing to hurdle in order to make a deal. There was also a difference on the money, with the Blueshirts believed offering under $7 million per.
Joe Thorton
Eric Staal
Jerome Iginla.
You are right I could put Ovi as well.
Im not comparing skill level these guys are much better. But they play the same style so saying that a player with his attributes can't last may not be correct
I just think that you have to distinguish between elite level players and Kreider level players. In general elite players age very often a ton better than non-elite players. My theory for that is simply that the margins are slim at the highest level and that if you were well ahead of the curve in your 20s, odds are you will still be ahead in your 30s even if you lose a small step. While things can get ugly if lesser players lose a bit because you potentially lose the small edge that made you an above average player in the first place.
At the end of the day its a guessing game anyways. I just personally believe that Kreider will be added to the above list of regrettable contracts very soon (as will many others as I alluded to). I think paying big money to wingers approaching 30 is one of the worst bets you can currently make in the NHL. Especially if we are not talking about superstar players and bigger forwards relying on their athleticism.
We will see. I just hope my team is not the one taking that ugly gamble tonight.
Kreider is one of, if not the best net front player in the league.
Why does nobody talk about this?