Habby4Life
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So he didn’t work on his skating last summer? Nevetr said he’s done. Not once. I said he’s Lars Eller at the max. Not a bad thing.
For a 3rd ova, Lars Eller at the max is a very bad thing.
So he didn’t work on his skating last summer? Nevetr said he’s done. Not once. I said he’s Lars Eller at the max. Not a bad thing.
He will never be if he never gets the chance to be one.I believe in KK just as much as you do. Right now, he's only 20 and he's not a star center. Growing pains
KK has improved many facets of his game this year. I really liked his progress although more offensive production would have been nice.
But the last couple of weeks... Ayoye... Shades of last year's terrible struggles.
He will never be if he never gets the chance to be one.
You dont become a firefighter by sweeping floors.
He's 20 but he's also swept floors for three years now. He needs to fight the fires.He's 20 and saying he will never get the chance is twisting it
His utility hasn’t been perfect, and I 100% agree that he was rushed, but his role this year hasn’t been terrible.He's 20 but he's also swept floors for three years now. He needs to fight the fires.
250 games of not playing as an offensive center. He was rushed, now its time to admit he was rushed, and just live with it.
This team is not winning anyway.
WS, your example actually works against your argument. Your example is telling us that your Nissan Leaf is KK. If you want to make the argument that KK needs better linemates then it's not the car but the crew. BUt then even an elite crew couldn't help you win a F! in a Nissan Leaf.
lolYou cannot give what you don't have. And in a line you are often as good as your linemates are. Right now, JK doesn't have what it takes. Whether it's through his own play, 'cause frankly, any SANE organization would have seen him in the NHL playing his 1st year THIS YEAR.....and he doesn't have the linemates to help him either. So he's not going to win. Just like a Leaf in a F1 race.
But hey...it probably wasn't my best one....go with the banana analogy instead....lol
Lars is not a good comparison since KK has better vision and passing than him but Lars is about 50x stronger, a better skater and at this point a better puck protector.
I’m just not seeing it from KK. There are glimpses but it points to a 2nd line centre at best. Same with Suzuki. Certainly not the elite talent the Habs need down the middle. This is Koivu/Plekanec again, good but not good enough.
So he was rushed and now you want to rush him more? Also he has gotten chances up the lineup. He just didn’t do anything with them.He's 20 but he's also swept floors for three years now. He needs to fight the fires.
250 games of not playing as an offensive center. He was rushed, now its time to admit he was rushed, and just live with it.
This team is not winning anyway.
He's 20 but he's also swept floors for three years now. He needs to fight the fires.
250 games of not playing as an offensive center. He was rushed, now its time to admit he was rushed, and just live with it.
This team is not winning anyway.
I doubt he becomes as good as either Plekanec or Koivu.Lars is not a good comparison since KK has better vision and passing than him but Lars is about 50x stronger, a better skater and at this point a better puck protector.
I’m just not seeing it from KK. There are glimpses but it points to a 2nd line centre at best. Same with Suzuki. Certainly not the elite talent the Habs need down the middle. This is Koivu/Plekanec again, good but not good enough.
I doubt he becomes as good as either Plekanec or Koivu.
Pleks played 2 full seasons in the AHL and was one of those players that was actually developed properly.I don't remember that people expected anything out of Pleks though. That was a graet pick with great development. Hey 1st year coach in the pros.....Claude Julien...lol
That's called stats watching. And nobody does that in order to make a real assessment on a player.
Lars has a solid reputation as a playoff performer though. He is the perfect 3rd line center.Lars is not a good comparison since KK has better vision and passing than him but Lars is about 50x stronger, a better skater and at this point a better puck protector.
I’m just not seeing it from KK. There are glimpses but it points to a 2nd line centre at best. Same with Suzuki. Certainly not the elite talent the Habs need down the middle. This is Koivu/Plekanec again, good but not good enough.
Lars is not a good comparison since KK has better vision and passing than him but Lars is about 50x stronger, a better skater and at this point a better puck protector.
I’m just not seeing it from KK. There are glimpses but it points to a 2nd line centre at best. Same with Suzuki. Certainly not the elite talent the Habs need down the middle. This is Koivu/Plekanec again, good but not good enough.
You cannot give what you don't have. And in a line you are often as good as your linemates are. Right now, JK doesn't have what it takes. Whether it's through his own play, 'cause frankly, any SANE organization would have seen him in the NHL playing his 1st year THIS YEAR.....and he doesn't have the linemates to help him either. So he's not going to win. Just like a Leaf in a F1 race.
But hey...it probably wasn't my best one....go with the banana analogy instead....lol
Lol. You make it sound like 5 pts in 17 games is good Byron has 7 pts in his last 17 games and he’s considered fodder.Thing is, no one on the roster ahead of him "has what it takes"... and rather than do what any smart team does as far as nurturing confidence and growth in prized young players (by controlling what you can control, like consistent ice time/linemates and showing some patience with to-be-expected up's and downs... as we did/have with Suzuki pretty much all year), JKO for some odd reason has been treated like a spare part.
After CJ was fired, JKO started getting both more ice time and better linemates.... he translated that into 7 pts in 10 games... then had a 3-game stretch without a point (still 7pts/13 games, better than Tkachuk productivity ), and what happens? Our genius GM trades for an "upgrade" in Staal and our even brighter coach proceedes to slide JKO to the wing for a few games.
Kid takes it in stride, saying all the right things...
Many of the usual suspects around here dismissed that yo-yoing as no big deal...
and he's put up 5 pts in the 17 games since, while bouncing from C to W, and a revolving door of wingers almost every game since.
Some of you clearly have no concept of athlete development or confidence development in young professionals... i guess with no experience in the subject matter it would be easy to assume that if line switching works with no impact or difference on players related to their age/experience in EA sports, the same should be true in real life.
It isn't. Confidence takes time to build in most athletes. As the broadcast team (ex-players) spoke to last night as far as Thornton's impact in Toronto, there is absolutely something to experience as it relates to dealing with the grind of a season, fighting through slumps, elevating play to deal with late season/playoffs et. Not ALL young players struggle with that, just like not ALL veterans automatically develop it through experience alone.
But with a young player? No different than with a young/inexperienced person in any field, you adjust your expectations and create more space for nurturing/patience/confidence growth early on if you feel the talent is worth investing in. Later on, then sure, short leash and "next man up"...
but for now? To look at how JKO has been used and treated this year and be disappointed, or equate production inconsistency as a sign of his limitations with no appreciation or consideration of the difficult context he's been put in? that's just silly.
Just take a look at Ottawa. Remember how much some were laughing at them early on? Yet here we are late in the season, winners of 6 of their last 8 games, several young players playing with confidence and impact... guys who at various times during the year (including the darling Tkachuk) who went on dry spells as long as any JKO has seen this year WITHOUT their minutes getting slashed or being thrown into unecessary line blenders.
That stuff matters, even if some of you prefer to ignore it.
If you just watch his overall game, it's very obvious that:
- he's got good/great vision and hockey sense
- he competes hard in all phases of the game
- he's got above average set of tools
- he's awkward in the ways that a lanky youth whose skill/head are further advanced than his body when it comes to competing professionally
- he's extremmely coachable
those traits together, for a 20 year old playing regular NHL minutes, deservedly so, point unequivocally to a player with a huge amount of progression ahead of him.
That our mediocre roster needs more "right now" impact players both on offense and defense, has nothing to do with him. Replace Danault with a top-tier NHL C, and this entire conversation does not exist.
Put JKO on Ottawa and give him Tkachuk's leash and support, and the most likely outcome would be that their P/60, which is almost equal now (1.63 vs 1.6), would be far more in JKO's favour... opportunity & consistency matter.
Lars has a solid reputation as a playoff performer though. He is the perfect 3rd line center.