Tampa, Toronto, Boston, probably Montreal in 2-3 years and that is only in our division last year. It is a long list.
Yeah, I already disagree with Montreal, Boston, and arguably Tampa.
Tampa, Toronto, Boston, probably Montreal in 2-3 years and that is only in our division last year. It is a long list.
Yeah, I already disagree with Montreal, Boston, and arguably Tampa.
That would be nowhere close to getting the deal done , dubois is a big #1 two way c whos 22Report: Montreal Canadiens Make Offer for Pierre-Luc Dubois - NHL Rumors - NHLTradeRumors.Me
apparently CBJ countered & asked for Suzuki, MTL was sad.
So their asking price is equivalent to a young projected 1C. Our 2021 1st unprotected + Ras + Cholo would be my final offer. If they wanted any bottom 6F, bottom 4D they could be included/substituted.
Bergeron and Krejci
Point and Cirelli
Those way better than 60 point Larkin and Johannsen.
Never said my offer would "get the deal done", only stating that would be my final offer + (bottom 6 F/D) if they wanted for depth.That would be nowhere close to getting the deal done , dubois is a big #1 two way c whos 22
if we had him with larkin down the middle we’d be set for a decade
Problem is we dont have a C to deal back minus maybe rasmussen but he wont be a top 6 and they likely want someone back who can play now , maybe a zadina?++
Dont think we’d have the pieces to make this deal happen
Rasmussen+berggren+mcisaac+ a 2nd? Again likely not enough , i do think bergevin will take advantage of the opportunity and make this deal happen at all costs minus suzucki
Kotkaniemi + caufield + guhle?
Bergeron is 34 and Krejci is 35. Cirelli is nice, but he's clearly a step down from Larkin and Johannsen. The only single player I take over either of Larkin/Johanssen is Point.
Also, has to be pointed out that if you want to slam Larkin and johannsen for production, what's the average production of Bergeron and Krejci over their careers? They rate out at 65 and 61 points per 82 games, respectively.
I love PL Dubois. I'm not exactly sure he's going to be an elite #1 center yet either.
His final points/60 last year, including PP, was 2.34. Larkin's was 2.11. But Larkin's was probably hurt by PK time.
At 5 on5
Larkin:1.79
Dubois: 2.01
And that was a down year for Larkin.
And, Larkin's been a good faceoff man. And Dubois has been pretty bad.
I think I probably would consider Detroit 1st + Ras... but I wouldn't go beyond that.
PLD won't make Detroit all that much better. We still have a gongshow defense. So that 1st round pick is a HUGE asset.
The one thing PLD does have is that he, like Larkin (despite last night), can be miserable to play against for opponents. He might never be an elite 1C, but if you feel that he can be at a similar level to Larkin in his prime, that’s a really good 1-2 punch.
He would absolutely make the team better if you are only giving up the pick and Rasmussen, like you are suggesting. He’s immediately top 3 on the roster, he gives a legit pivot to the second top 6 line (even if his draws are weak). He plays a powerful and possessive game, which is exactly what Zadina’s line is missing right now.
I’ve said this before, I anticipate the price is prohibitive, but if the price wasn’t outrageous, I would make this move without hesitation.
The one thing PLD does have is that he, like Larkin (despite last night), can be miserable to play against for opponents. He might never be an elite 1C, but if you feel that he can be at a similar level to Larkin in his prime, that’s a really good 1-2 punch.
He would absolutely make the team better if you are only giving up the pick and Rasmussen, like you are suggesting. He’s immediately top 3 on the roster, he gives a legit pivot to the second top 6 line (even if his draws are weak). He plays a powerful and possessive game, which is exactly what Zadina’s line is missing right now.
I’ve said this before, I anticipate the price is prohibitive, but if the price wasn’t outrageous, I would make this move without hesitation.
Right.
I feel like Dubois vs the 1st rounder is already a tough one, valuewise - because you can get a legit franchise guy in the top 4.
Imagine Columbus winning the lottery and getting a franchise stud while we have a nice 1 or 2C.
One who's already showing some signs of being hard to sign.
Rasmussen is a potential 3C with powerplay and PK upside.
That's a lot for Detroit to give up already.
Let alone adding Cholo or whatever else.
He makes us better. But he doesn't change our fortunes much this year.
Any defense with Stecher, Merril and Staal taking a regular shift is in trouble.
Our third line would be a collection of vagabonds and spare parts.
If you're gonna dream, dream big.
Detroit 1st, Hronek, Zadina
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Dubois/Werenski
I love PL Dubois. I'm not exactly sure he's going to be an elite #1 center yet either.
His final points/60 last year, including PP, was 2.34. Larkin's was 2.11. But Larkin's was probably hurt by PK time.
At 5 on5
Larkin:1.79
Dubois: 2.01
And that was a down year for Larkin.
And, Larkin's been a good faceoff man. And Dubois has been pretty bad.
I think I probably would consider Detroit 1st + Ras... but I wouldn't go beyond that.
PLD won't make Detroit all that much better. We still have a gongshow defense. So that 1st round pick is a HUGE asset.
I don't think a 1st&Ras/Veleno should be too far off what Columbus should get from most teams - especially with how high our 1st is likely to be. I think there would be more filler going both ways on top of it, but that would be the foundation for a deal. And, really, in the next couple of years we are probably looking at drafting a center with our 1st anyway. This just means we don't have to.
I haven't been trying to say we'd have a Malkin/Crosby or McDavid/Drasaitl level of combo, but I think people have begun to underrate Larkin a bit with how bad the wings have been, and over rate centers on other teams. Everyone loved ROR after the blues won their Cup...but if you really love that guy, you have no reason to not really love Larkin, imo. Larkin certainly isn't an elite guy, but you add him to another guy on his level, like PLD or Johanssen and you are pretty darn strong up the middle - especially if the you get guys with the right drive/character.
Thats fair , but ya wouldnt get it doneNever said my offer would "get the deal done", only stating that would be my final offer + (bottom 6 F/D) if they wanted for depth.
Dubois to Montreal: What Would it Cost?
As far as prices/market value, 3 big recent trades all favored the seller in retrospect, causing mild trepidation in the trade waters.Thats fair , but ya wouldnt get it done
We’ll see what he moved for soon
You're willing to give up a potential 1st overall pick + a former top 10 pick + more for PLD who has a career high of 61 points? PLD is a good player but he isn't a surefire first line center, even on Detroit, he'd be 2C behind Larkin. Plus Detroit would have to pay him a ton of money in two years to keep him around.I think this year's draft class is interesting, but even at #1OA, I don't see a prospect head-and-shoulders above PLD. For folks who're reluctant to move our first in that deal, I'm curious who you like so much in this draft that you wouldn't move the pick for PLD.
I still don't think Columbus is interested in futures. But if they were, I'd happily start with our '21 first and Rasmussen, and I'd pretty comfortably add to that as well.
To me, the biggest needs in our pipeline are one more legitimate top 6 C (ideally a no-doubt 1C) and two top 4 LHD, with one ideally complementing Seider on on the top pairing. Our first hopefully addresses one of those needs. PLD certainly addresses one of those needs. I wouldn't hesitate to move our first for a player like that.
You're willing to give up a potential 1st overall pick + a former top 10 pick + more for PLD who has a career high of 61 points? PLD is a good player but he isn't a surefire first line center, even on Detroit, he'd be 2C behind Larkin. Plus Detroit would have to pay him a ton of money in two years to keep him around.
Not that a rebuilding team should be trading 1st round picks, but if I am trading a top 5 pick +, I am aiming higher than PLD. A team with Larkin and PLD down the middle would definitely be a big improvement but ultimately won't win a cup unless the rest of the team is stacked.
You're willing to give up a potential 1st overall pick + a former top 10 pick + more for PLD who has a career high of 61 points?
PLD is a good player but he isn't a surefire first line center, even on Detroit, he'd be 2C behind Larkin. Plus Detroit would have to pay him a ton of money in two years to keep him around.
all the Dubois trades in here seem pretty off base
I doubt Columbus is terribly interested in trading him for futures
the only scenario I could realistically see happening is something like Mantha+ some other stuff if they can't get a better offer
The MTL offer favors MTL, imo, partly b/c I'm not sold on KKotaniemi, but like Poehling. The VGK offer is odd, though two C prospects is enticing, but not sure they wanna move Joonas or even Elvis. NYR offer seems meh. LA offer seems fair. CB adds a 2nd? & maybe prospect for Laine.If I'm C-bus I pull the trigger on any of those trades in a macro-second except the Vegas one. The Winnipeg one is sensible but they can only hope those other teams would throw in the proposed offers.
all the Dubois trades in here seem pretty off base
I doubt Columbus is terribly interested in trading him for futures
the only scenario I could realistically see happening is something like Mantha+ some other stuff if they can't get a better offer