TV: Game of Thrones | Season 8 (Final) | Part X -TV talk ONLY -NO Books, Spoilers, NO LEAKS

[RandV]

i just disagree i guess, that scene right before has tormund right next to guys falling and the middle part of the section that breaks falls first so id how hed outrun it

id prefer to have a different opinion on it though cuz i dont want to be hoping tormund is dead haha

I remembered them 'surviving' but just rewatched it to be sure, and yes they definitely did. May be a bit confusing because there are some time lapses in the scene, like from start to finish it all plays out in maybe 3 minutes yet to march that many zombies from the forest line and get a good horde of them past the wall could maybe take an hour or two.

But the key point is when it cuts back to Tormund and Beric you see them fleeing West from the top of the wall, and the ice breaks up behind them but then it stops. Then you see the big wide shot wall collapse scene which is causing the confusion, but what they're showing is from the point just behind where Tormund/Beric were standing all the way East to the see is what collapsed.

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What you see is cut off point on the west standing strong while everything East to the see collapses. Tormund and Beric made it to that cut off point, which at the point is the only safe zone. Anyone trying to get down the wall is ****ed, anyone on the ground behind the wall if they didn't get caught in the collapse has an army of undead marching on them, but anyone in that safety zone the top of the wall is like a big highway so they can just keep walking west. Well the zombie dragon could always fly over and fry them, but if they didn't show that then it didn't happen.

 

[Hivemind]

so are we to believe beric and tormund survived that

30 second mark

 

[RandV]

I still believe Tywin knen who Arya was,how many hiborn girls that age would be in hiding from the north,and if so why?
I think he just played along knowing he had her under his thumb in a guarded castle. He didn't think she was going to be slippery and have help from a many face man.

I'd think if Tywin knew she was Arya Stark he would have had her wrapped up and escorted back to Kings Landing to be used as a hostage. But otherwise there could be a number of random reasons why a young northern lady could have been in the region and caught up in the war that broke out, for it to be Arya Stark though after making her initial escape killing the stable boy she would have had to survive the streets of Kings Landing, make her escape from Kings Landing (not so easy in a walled city when the guards are looking for you), and then survive on the road long enough to make it up to Harrenhall.

My guess is that Tywin had already written Arya off months ago, that they never found her in Kings Landing because she was already dead and rotting away in the gutter somewhere in the slums.

 

[Hivemind]

I still believe Tywin knen who Arya was,how many hiborn girls that age would be in hiding from the north,and if so why?
I think he just played along knowing he had her under his thumb in a guarded castle. He didn't think she was going to be slippery and have help from a many face man.

There's a 0% chance this is the case. Tywin would have immediately acted upon her value as a hostage if he knew her identity. Especially considering Catelyn was still alive and Jaime was captured at the time.


And in some weird scenario where he was trying to keep her presence a secret, he definitely would not have allowed Littlefinger to see her.

 

[Neutrinos]

I still believe Tywin knen who Arya was,how many hiborn girls that age would be in hiding from the north,and if so why?
I think he just played along knowing he had her under his thumb in a guarded castle. He didn't think she was going to be slippery and have help from a many face man.

If he knew, he would've brought her with him to King's Landing

 

[HanSolo]

I still believe Tywin knen who Arya was,how many hiborn girls that age would be in hiding from the north,and if so why?
I think he just played along knowing he had her under his thumb in a guarded castle. He didn't think she was going to be slippery and have help from a many face man.

I think he knew she was highborn but I don't think he knew it was Arya. He said at some point "you should know the difference if you're going to pose as a commoner"

 

[Neutrinos]

There's a 0% chance this is the case. Tywin would have immediately acted upon her value as a hostage if he knew her identity. Especially considering Catelyn was still alive and Jaime was captured at the time.


And in some weird scenario where he was trying to keep her presence a secret, he definitely would not have allowed Littlefinger to see her.

I do think Littlefinger recognized her though

In a following episode he tells Sansa that he saw her

 

[RandV]

I think he knew she was highborn but I don't think he knew it was Arya. He said at some point "you should know the difference if you're going to pose as a commoner"

Also while there are probably hundreds of "highborn" families in Westeros there are only 8 great houses. Arya Stark would have the same social status as Cersei would have at the same age, and I doubt Tywin could have seen a young Cersei evading capture and surviving the streets of Kings Landing on her own.

And yes to the post above Littlefinger definitely recognized her, if I recall correctly in season 1 he sat with the Stark girls at the joust.

 

[Hivemind]

I do think Littlefinger recognized her though

In a following episode he tells Sansa that he saw her

Littlefinger absolutely recognized her. I kinda wish they had brought that back up during his execution scene.

 

[Neutrinos]

Littlefinger absolutely recognized her. I kinda wish they had brought that back up during his execution scene.

That's because it wasn't the real Littlefinger being executed

 

[Saskatoon]

My wife's been putting it on in the background (I think we're midway through season 4 now) and she always laughs at how I'll stop everything to watch a Tywin scene.


BTW, just for fun, I'm going to say that I blame GRRM for Seasons 5 & 6 being slow. Reason? After the war ended, Joffrey dies, Tywin dies, Tyrion goes off the Essos, Dany gets to Meereen, etc (all this happens in season 4), the story was stuck. It could not advance any further until Jon Snow was able to get out of his NW vows and become King in the North. Therefore, the entire 5th and 6th season entailed the entire cast being separated with little to nothing pulling them together and going on little side quests until Jon's story advanced enough in order to reunite them for the end game.

I think the story also suffers from the fact that it's fairly obvious that the Starks will retake Winterfell so you are just kind of waiting for that to happen. Maybe if Ramsey wouldn't have been so obviously bad it would have been more up for debate but its pretty clear he isn't going to be in charge to face the Night King.

 

[TP]

The fact that they replaced Dario with a new actor in season 4 is pissing me off for some unknown reason.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Littlefinger def didnt recognize Arya

 

[StrangeVision]

That's because it wasn't the real Littlefinger being executed

That would be the dumbest twist in the history of dumb twists. It would make The Village look like The Godfather.

 

[Neutrinos]

That would be the dumbest twist in the history of dumb twists. It would make The Village look like The Godfather.

I share the opposite point of view on the matter. Given some of the clues leading up to the execution, I think it would be dumb if it didn't happen

 

[Blender]

I share the opposite point of view on the matter. Given some of the clues leading up to the execution, I think it would be dumb if it didn't happen

Not again.

How does Bran (i.e. the Three-Eyed Raven) not know that he is a faceless man, and why has a faceless man spent years pretending to be a minor power hungry noble in Westeros? This view doesn't even stand up to basic scrutiny because it makes no logical sense.

 

[HanSolo]

Personally I think it would be dumb if Episode 9 doesn't reveal that Jar Jar was the real master of the Dark Side all along.

 

[glovesave_35]

The fact that they replaced Dario with a new actor in season 4 is pissing me off for some unknown reason.

The original casting pissed me off more. They righted a wrong IMO.

 

[HanSolo]

I always forget how creepy and shitty Selyse Baratheon is.

The original casting pissed me off more. They righted a wrong IMO.

I didn't love either Daario but I greatly preferred the second. The first was devoid of charm for all his attempts to be dashing and charming. He just seemed like a pompous douche.

 

[glovesave_35]

I didn't love either Daario but I greatly preferred the second. The first was devoid of charm for all his attempts to be dashing and charming. He just seemed like a pompous *****e.

Yup. And too feminine to boot.

 

[glovesave_35]

Not again.

How does Bran (i.e. the Three-Eyed Raven) not know that he is a faceless man, and why has a faceless man spent years pretending to be a minor power hungry noble in Westeros? This view doesn't even stand up to basic scrutiny because it makes no logical sense.

Yeah, geez. Beating a dead horse at this point.

 

[HanSolo]

Jesus, man. Season 3 is lighter on the key moments but Jamie in the bath with Brienne has to be one of the best single performances in the series.

Yup. And too feminine to boot.

I mean I wouldn't fault a character for that but it was hard to imagine him as a skilled killer.

The new one isn't exactly the most likable character on the show, but at least he's reasonably charming and believable as a tough fighter.

 

[MadDevil]

I share the opposite point of view on the matter. Given some of the clues leading up to the execution, I think it would be dumb if it didn't happen

Sure, and I'm still holding out hope that Roose Bolton is an immortal who wears people's skins. Or that Tyrion is a time traveling fetus.

 

[HanSolo]

Sure, and I'm still holding out hope that Roose Bolton is an immortal who wears people's skins. Or that Tyrion is a time traveling fetus.

Ned Stark planned the Red Wedding the whole time.

 

[HanSolo]

By the way, when Littlefinger died, don't you think Arya would find out if he was actually a faceless man?

 

[TP]

The original casting pissed me off more. They righted a wrong IMO.

Mayhaps, but it still pisses me off.