Burke's Evil Spirit
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There are teams that wouldn't blink at Boeser's QO, in my opinion. Buffalo, Nashville, New Jersey, maybe Arizona, Detroit, Columbus...
Filing for arbitration, and subsequently agreeing to a contract without going through the process like Fiala did, and filing for arbitration and having to go through the process as the Canucks would have to in order to slash down Boeser's QO by $1M are two different situations. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect there would be some animosity from Boeser's camp to go through a process where a new management group will slag his ability and talent in order to have an arbitrator award them a slightly favorable contract. Ultimately neither side wants it to get to that and I would expect either Boeser agrees to a contract more favourable to the team or he's dealt.
Do not get concerned about what Larry Brooks writes. He's a shill. He's always been a shill. Lundkvist may very well be a target and part of the package but the low ball package is coming from Brooks.
Filing for arbitration, and subsequently agreeing to a contract without going through the process like Fiala did, and filing for arbitration and having to go through the process as the Canucks would have to in order to slash down Boeser's QO by $1M are two different situations. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect there would be some animosity from Boeser's camp to go through a process where a new management group will slag his ability and talent in order to have an arbitrator award them a slightly favorable contract. Ultimately neither side wants it to get to that and I would expect either Boeser agrees to a contract more favourable to the team or he's dealt.
Arbitration is brutal for players. Generally it signals the start of the end for that player with the organization. They have to sit there as their employer tells a stranger how they’re essentially a piece of crap that’s not remotely worth what their contract says they’re entitled to. You may say he knows he’s not worth it. If that was the case then why has the signed an extension for less money? It’s because he knows what he’s contractually due.You're assuming that Boeser and the Canucks would go through the arbitration process though. There's still plenty of games to be played, but right now Boeser is on pace for 26 goals and 51 points (and might fall short of that). Boeser had a good season last year but in 19-20 he was on pace for 23 goals and he missed games. Given the Canucks' record over the past 3 seasons vis a vis his play, Boeser's camp has a weak argument that he contributes a lot to the Canucks winning. So Boeser's camp would need to evaluate what an arbitrator would likely award vs what the Canucks are offering to avoid arbitration.
I agree with @Blue and Green that there shouldn't be any hard feelings. Nobody is lowballing Boeser here. And at the time Boeser signed his contract, his previous two seasons were objectively better than what he has put up since with the exception of 20-21.
The way I see it is that Boeser should know that he hasn't earned a $7.5M AAV deal. Again, there's still a lot of games to be played and if Boeser gets hot down the stretch then ya he has a good case to be paid. But right now, it's not looking like it.
Or you trade one of Rathbone or Lundkvist and recover an asset. I’d opt to keep whichever is better defensively and can log big minutes. QH and OEL will soak up all of the PP time for the foreseeable future.If Lundqvist was a top notch defender/ stay at home his size could be overlooked… sounds like he’s more like rathbone though. You’d have to get strategic on how you deploy rathbone/Lundqvist/ Hughes (spilt them all up).
If Lundqvist was a top notch defender/ stay at home his size could be overlooked… sounds like he’s more like rathbone though. You’d have to get strategic on how you deploy rathbone/Lundqvist/ Hughes (spilt them all up).
Doesn't seem like rocket science to me but maybe I'm missing something. Miller's trade value is at an all time high. He will be getting a very big raise in his next contract, shortly after he turns 30 - not conducive to good cap and asset management. And reallocating his cap hit to fix the D is the fastest way to make this team competitive within 2 years.Maybe it’s just me but I am finding many fan bases have a pref for almost anyone but miller… not sure if they are just misinformed on millers skill level and/or nervous about what the return would cost them.
So many UFA options but they would be a one-time playoff run. Seems silly if you can get someone for 2 runs!
Maybe it’s a draft day type of trade (Boeser)… and motte could be resigned? They do seem to like what he brings.Maybe but Boeser (as most have mentioned) needs to be dealt with in some capacity.
And Motte must be insulted with this comment.
Yea you can take Boeser to arbitration in lieu of his QO, but that’s a great way to burn your bridges with that player so you’re likely looking at trading him regardless. Team elected arbitration in lieu of QO has also never been done before as well as far as I know.
I also don’t consider the equivalent of a 1st and 2nd round pick as well as $6M+ in cap space to be peanuts. A competent management group, like Florida’s for example, was able to easily replace Boeser’s production for less than $6M. I’m hoping this group can achieve something similar. But to each their own.
God Rutherford is good at posturing. He's not saying anything substantial. Everything publicly has been that the team doesn't need to be broken down, they have time to evaluate, any changes might come in the summer. While all the leaks are split between "major changes coming" and "they'll probably wait until the offseason or next season".
The truth is that this team has only been together for a very short time. They are still information gathering and sorting with their own players and other teams players. From what it sounds like to me is that they are still evaluating who is the core to build around (Horvat, Boeser, and Miller's contract statuses being the main driving force). I'm expecting some small deals shedding some of the depth for open roster spots (maybe a Pearson, Dickinson, and/or Poolman-type if there's a market) with one big deal (Boeser or Miller stand out).
If it's not a massive trade deadline for this management team, I'm not going to complain. It would be fun from them to kick the doors down but I get why they would be hesitant.
By now Benning would have made a press release concerning all the players he intended to move, and the draft picks he intended to include in any trade so as to sweeten the pot.God Rutherford is good at posturing. He's not saying anything substantial. Everything publicly has been that the team doesn't need to be broken down, they have time to evaluate, any changes might come in the summer. While all the leaks are split between "major changes coming" and "they'll probably wait until the offseason or next season".
The truth is that this team has only been together for a very short time. They are still information gathering and sorting with their own players and other teams players. From what it sounds like to me is that they are still evaluating who is the core to build around (Horvat, Boeser, and Miller's contract statuses being the main driving force). I'm expecting some small deals shedding some of the depth for open roster spots (maybe a Pearson, Dickinson, and/or Poolman-type if there's a market) with one big deal (Boeser or Miller stand out).
If it's not a massive trade deadline for this management team, I'm not going to complain. It would be fun from them to kick the doors down but I get why they would be hesitant.