Speculation: Fantasy GM and Rumor Roundup Thread | "Trader Jim" gearing up for TDL

[theguardianII]

I am pretty sure that now Rutherford has had a week or so with a almost filled front office he will not leave the fanbase floundering to wonder what the new vision will be.
There was no way he was walking into the job and saying he will wipe out the team and go to a total rebuild, that would devalue many of the assets the team has.
And these players are assets and contracts without results to JR.

There is many in media that seem to think it will take months to evaluate these players. Not so, the players body of work has been analyzed to when they use the bathroom and the team's results have been there for everyone to see for years.

Hope does not enter into evaluating assets as much as hope is used to sell the game when the team is not good.

Media is now pushing for fans to be impatient, the trades will come. Many think the summer but I think with some of the value this team's assets have getting a couple of over payments is more than possible.

Boeser becomes a FA if not qualified, it doesn't take a month or more to decide if he is worth 7.5 mil a year for a minimum of 2 years. Does he drive a line? Does he carry the play? Does he outskate most players, bust around the dman, Does he stand up for his mates? How many times in the media? But Boeser could fit into Laine's old position on the Peg PP

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

You're saying that replacing Myers with any of Poolman, Schenn, Juulsen, etc...would send us to the cellar? I'll give you that Myers has been better most of this season, more so than in any other season here, but he's a long way from being a hard guy to replace. Also, if we're looking at trading away Miller, Boeser, Motte, etc...I think that puts us closer to the cellar than replacing Myers with any of those other guys.

I disagree...I think we could conceivably get by without Boeser, or Motte (I'd like to re-sign him)...Moving forward,I dont see JR having an entire right side D composed of bottom pairing D men....Myers, for all his strengths and weaknesses, plays a critical part on the D.

 

[Canucker]

I disagree...I think we could conceivably get by without Boeser, or Motte (I'd like to re-sign him)...Moving forward,I dont see JR having an entire right side D composed of bottom pairing D men....Myers, for all his strengths and weaknesses, plays a critical part on the D.

We'll have to agree to disagree...I'd much rather free up $6m for the next 2 years. IMO next year is going to be a "transition" year, especially if there is a lot of turnover...his freed up $6m will allow for a great deal of flexibility.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sutter could score lol. Anything to minimize the negative shit stain Benning left here is pretty important work I guess...

54 goals in 275 games...

Or 16 goals over 82 games...

Yeah 'could score' compared to you and I maybe, but for a $4.6 million NHL player thats pretty yikes

But like Benning said hes the kinda guy you win with in the playoffs and that 1 goal in 17 playoff games for us was worth like 20 goals so theres that I guess

Sutter could score!

Sutter had 9 goals in 43 games last season..can win face-offs and play effectively on the PK

Dicky cant win face-offs, and was brought in to be a PK specialist (32nd PK in the league)... He's played 45 games..How many goals has he scored this season?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

We'll have to agree to disagree...I'd much rather free up $6m for the next 2 years. IMO next year is going to be a "transition" year, especially if there is a lot of turnover...his freed up $6m will allow for a great deal of flexibility.

Thats cool..thats why were here.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Just ask what JTM9 wants. Anything fairly reasonable you sign him long term. He works here. You don’t trade a working piece for a piece you hope works … makes no sense. If he wants 8M , see you later. If he wants 6.5M sign him up. Trade BB6…. He can barely skate at an NHL level.

 

[M2Beezy]

Sutter had 9 goals in 43 games last season..can win face-offs and play effectively on the PK

Dicky cant win face-offs, and was brought in to be a PK specialist (32nd PK in the league)... He's played 45 games..How many goals has he scored this season?

So a lousy overpaid Benning aquistion can score a small amount of goals, but slightly more than another lousy overpaid Benning aquistion. Got it

 

[StreetHawk]

I am pretty sure that now Rutherford has had a week or so with a almost filled front office he will not leave the fanbase floundering to wonder what the new vision will be.
There was no way he was walking into the job and saying he will wipe out the team and go to a total rebuild, that would devalue many of the assets the team has.
And these players are assets and contracts without results to JR.

There is many in media that seem to think it will take months to evaluate these players. Not so, the players body of work has been analyzed to when they use the bathroom and the team's results have been there for everyone to see for years.

Hope does not enter into evaluating assets as much as hope is used to sell the game when the team is not good.

Media is now pushing for fans to be impatient, the trades will come. Many think the summer but I think with some of the value this team's assets have getting a couple of over payments is more than possible.

Boeser becomes a FA if not qualified, it doesn't take a month or more to decide if he is worth 7.5 mil a year for a minimum of 2 years. Does he drive a line? Does he carry the play? Does he outskate most players, bust around the dman, Does he stand up for his mates? How many times in the media? But Boeser could fit into Laine's old position on the Peg PP

People have to be realistic on a Boeser return. Some teams would view him as a rental despite him being an rfa due to his high QO. So the return would reflect that.
If a team is able to extend Boeser right after acquisition then the return can be higher. For a number that makes sense for both sides.

but the CBA now outlaws conditional trades that increase the compensation based upon the player re-signing with the club. Can’t put in a condition where if the team extend Brock after the playoffs the Canucks get a first in 2023. That is not permitted anymore.

 

[sting101]

In both cases there is no real gain once you fill the roster spots with cheap depth guys.

It's not much but it buys you 2.3 million for a forward if you just replaced Poolman with Juulsen at 750k for next year. Could be enough to sign a good UFA that can actually play in our top 9 like Calle Jarnkrok

Would increase to 3.6 million for 23/24. Its the 2yrs after that would suck as we would have a 1.4 1.9 900k 900k of sunk money but a cap increase and the Holby Virtanen penalties gone after next year could still make for room for a quality signing rather than having useless money on 3rd pairs and 4th lines.

 

[ziploc]

Sutter had 9 goals in 43 games last season..can win face-offs and play effectively on the PK

Dicky cant win face-offs, and was brought in to be a PK specialist (32nd PK in the league)... He's played 45 games..How many goals has he scored this season?

Sutter was badly overpaid, but not a bad player. He is being paid appropriate to his skill set this year, and would be much better than Dickinson, except he isn't playing. Such is life as a Canucks fan.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sutter was badly overpaid, but not a bad player. He is being paid appropriate to his skill set this year, and would be much better than Dickinson, except he isn't playing. Such is life as a Canucks fan.

He was ..but at a million bucks per, this year..He would have been more useful than Dicky..imo.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

So a lousy overpaid Benning aquistion can score a small amount of goals, but slightly more than another lousy overpaid Benning aquistion. Got it

Brandon Sutter...$1.25M x 1 year.

 

[ziploc]

He was ..but at a million bucks per, this year..He would have been more useful than Dicky..imo.

Yep.

 

[Peen]

This discussion about Myers is beyond stupid.

#1 He is not worth his contract.
#2 You need your NHL roster to be basically worth 1.5-2x the cap to be a true contender. Having a bunch of 30 year old guys who are close to their contract value is not actually a good thing when you’re maxing out as a 20th place team.
#3 He’s 32 and will be a 34 y/o expiring by the time you can even remotely hope that this team might be ready to make a realistic push for the playoffs.
#4 You cannot build organizational wealth without moving on from what you currently have. Sorry, Dickinson and Hamonic are not going to get you three top six forwards, two top four RHD, and a bunch of A-level prospects like we need.
#5 We need to get younger and acquire pieces who WILL be here when you hope to get better. This is why I think anyone who thinks Luke Schenn should be untouchable has lost the plot.
#6 Have Myers and OEL performed well defensively? Yes. But, that pairing has been totally neutralized offensively and makes north of $13MM. It’s not good enough.
#7 Myers has played like shit with every other partner and there’s likely a cheaper alternative who can fit OEL better.
#8 We don’t need to immediately replace him - or replace the theorized value he provides this team. We are not winning shit right now.
#9 We are capped out as a 20th place team.

 

[Vector]

This discussion about Myers is beyond stupid.

#1 He is not worth his contract.
#2 You need your NHL roster to be basically worth 1.5-2x the cap to be a true contender. Having a bunch of 30 year old guys who are close to their contract value is not actually a good thing when you’re maxing out as a 20th place team.
#3 He’s 32 and will be a 34 y/o expiring by the time you can even remotely hope that this team might be ready to make a realistic push for the playoffs.
#4 You cannot build organizational wealth without moving on from what you currently have. Sorry, Dickinson and Hamonic are not going to get you three top six forwards, two top four RHD, and a bunch of A-level prospects like we need.
#5 We need to get younger and acquire pieces who WILL be here when you hope to get better. This is why I think anyone who thinks Luke Schenn should be untouchable has lost the plot.
#6 Have Myers and OEL performed well defensively? Yes. But, that pairing has been totally neutralized offensively and makes north of $13MM. It’s not good enough.
#7 Myers has played like shit with every other partner and there’s likely a cheaper alternative who can fit OEL better.
#8 We don’t need to immediately replace him - or replace the theorized value he provides this team. We are not winning shit right now.
#9 We are capped out as a 20th place team.

If it were my choice, and it bloody well should be, Myers would be someone I would be heavily shopping. I doubt trading him at the deadline is feasible as he's more likely to move in the offseason. For every reason you listed, it makes no sense to keep him. Doubly so if the league views him as someone with value.

 

[ziploc]

This discussion about Myers is beyond stupid.

#1 He is not worth his contract.
#2 You need your NHL roster to be basically worth 1.5-2x the cap to be a true contender. Having a bunch of 30 year old guys who are close to their contract value is not actually a good thing when you’re maxing out as a 20th place team.
#3 He’s 32 and will be a 34 y/o expiring by the time you can even remotely hope that this team might be ready to make a realistic push for the playoffs.
#4 You cannot build organizational wealth without moving on from what you currently have. Sorry, Dickinson and Hamonic are not going to get you three top six forwards, two top four RHD, and a bunch of A-level prospects like we need.
#5 We need to get younger and acquire pieces who WILL be here when you hope to get better. This is why I think anyone who thinks Luke Schenn should be untouchable has lost the plot.
#6 Have Myers and OEL performed well defensively? Yes. But, that pairing has been totally neutralized offensively and makes north of $13MM. It’s not good enough.
#7 Myers has played like shit with every other partner and there’s likely a cheaper alternative who can fit OEL better.
#8 We don’t need to immediately replace him - or replace the theorized value he provides this team. We are not winning shit right now.
#9 We are capped out as a 20th place team.

Totally agreed. If there is any chance of moving him - (and any assets coming back beyond his cap space is a bonus) - you do that in a New York second.

It is beyond crazy how many bad contracts still need to be subtracted from this team before they can begin to create a healthy cap structure.

 

[AppleHoneySauce]

I would love to get rid of Myers but even if other teams call for him i doubt JR would sell. He is still dinosaur after all and myers is dinosaur bait.

 

[ziploc]

I would love to get rid of Myers but even if other teams call for him i doubt JR would sell. He is still dinosaur after all and myers is dinosaur bait.

Allvin is our GM, and he is more chipmunk than dinosaur.

 

[Peen]

I would love to get rid of Myers but even if other teams call for him i doubt JR would sell. He is still dinosaur after all and myers is dinosaur bait.

I don’t really buy it.

Bruce thought he was shit before he came in. Doerrie thinks he’s shit and I would hope every internal analytic model tells them that Myers is contract inefficiency. Any pro scout who watched Myers in Van prior to this season saw him play at a 4-6 level.

But, most importantly, JR has said we need to get younger and gain cap flexibility. He’s the most realistically movable piece we have on the blue line. They won’t trade Hughes. OEL is unmovable. Poolman - lol. Schenn/Burroughs/Rathbone/Hunt get you no flexibility. Maybe Hamonic has some interest? Myers is the most realistic big money candidate to move on the back-end.

 

[AppleHoneySauce]

Allvin is our GM, and he is more chipmunk than dinosaur.

Allvin like Benning is a rook learning under a dinosaur. Gunna need to see some actual proof of change before i call either anything else.

 

[AppleHoneySauce]

I don’t really buy it.

Bruce thought he was shit before he came in. Doerrie thinks he’s shit and I would hope every internal analytic model tells them that Myers is contract inefficiency. Any pro scout who watched Myers in Van prior to this season saw him play at a 4-6 level.

But, most importantly, JR has said we need to get younger and gain cap flexibility. He’s the most realistically movable piece we have on the blue line. They won’t trade Hughes. OEL is unmovable. Poolman - lol. Schenn/Burroughs/Rathbone/Hunt get you no flexibility. Maybe Hamonic has some interest? Myers is the most realistic big money candidate to move on the back-end.

Bruce has also been sitting the rookies and coaching like a dinosaur sticking to his vets and has changed his opinion on myers.

Doerrie and the whole analytics department is only as useful as the GMs let them be and seeing as JR has already shown he still holds his archaic view of analytics i doubt they will be listened to much at all unless it already confirms what ever view he (JR) has.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

"There's no urgency to make trades."

"When most Hall of Famers are at a point in their lives and their careers where they are contemplating their golf game, travel or maybe taking up pottery (why not?)"

HEY! My mom does pottery. Has her own kiln and studio. Her stuff is pretty awesome.

"And so certainly a decision has to be made as to where we presently are as a team and where we want to get to but we don’t have to start over. We know that. We have a number of good players here so we’ll see where it goes."

"Well, we’re in a position that we don’t have to feel any pressure this year because we don’t have top players where they’re going to be UFAs. So there’s no urgency here to make those kinds of decisions. Our decisions will be made step by step as to what we think is best for the franchise now and in the future."

 

[Peen]

Bruce has also been sitting the rookies and coaching like a dinosaur sticking to his vets and has changed his opinion on myers.

Doerrie and the whole analytics department is only as useful as the GMs let them be and seeing as JR has already shown he still holds his archaic view of analytics i doubt they will be listened to much at all unless it already confirms what ever view he (JR) has.

I mean, you never know what actually will end up happening, but Doerrie said she turned down other opportunities to be here. Rutherford has said he’s been impressed working close to her.

At this point, it’s all speculation. We will see over the next six months the thought process behind the moves.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

My only thought on this one is that the sharks are circling and trying to get whatever meat they can get.



It's important to note which players are at the forefront of the rumors: Miller, Garland, Schenn, Burroughs, and now Hoglander. Boeser as well but I'm not sure his value is as clearly defined as what was reported yesterday. Basically, teams know which players suck (we aren't hearing how teams are calling on Dickinson) or are unmovable (Canucks want to move Halak but he won't waive his NMC) and are probably trying to acquire some of the good ones if they are willing to take an under-performing player with them ("say we trade you some young guys and picks fro Hoglander and Poolman").

Teams probably thinking they can take advantage.

I’d only trade Hogs for a similar aged and quality player on d.

But I’d much rather move many others first.

 

[Vector]

Didn't realize that Lehner has a probable torn labrum.

"Because of that uncertainty, McCrimmon and the Golden Knights have been working the phones to gauge the availability of goaltenders around the league."

While the article is framed that a Fleury reunion may take place , McCrimmon has flatly denied it.



So add Vegas to the potential landing spot for Halak if he knows what's good for him.