Value of: Dylan Larkin to Montreal

[HisNoodliness]

Just a point on what was said about Mantha and how it's being said about Larkin. I feel Yzerman looks at any trade offer that helps or reinforces his youth core build-up. Larkin is not old but is probably 30+ when Yzerman's youth core reaches prime years.

And I'm making the point that we weren't wrong about Mantha. We said that we wouldn't sell low on him. We didn't. We sold high in a big way. Larkin has even more value to the team, and so not only will we not sell low, you're going to have to really overpay.

It's true that Larkin will not be a core contributor to this team by the time we're a contender. Can he be our defensively responsible 2C and captain well into his 30s though? Can he establish a team culture of leaving it all on the ice? Absolutely. Buffalo would have been so much better off with Ryan O'Reilly around to let Eichel and Reinhart develop in a functional team environment with a good culture. That's how Yzerman builds. Stamkos essentially didn't play on the way to one cup and was a complementary piece in the other. He was also hugely important to the team for 1. Establishing the culture of taking less salary to keep the team together and working hard and 2. Being the leader of the team and most important voice in the locker room. That's the path that we're setting Larkin on. As you say though we're still building the rest of the Point, Kucherov, Hedman, Vasi core around him.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Just a point on what was said about Mantha and how it's being said about Larkin. I feel Yzerman looks at any trade offer that helps or reinforces his youth core build-up. Larkin is not old but is probably 30+ when Yzerman's youth core reaches prime years.

Then why did he acquire Leddy, Nedelkovich and Suter if not for his team to take a step forward? They don’t need to make the playoff but if they are somewhat at least competitive that will be a great plus and a good environment for the kids coming in

 

[Zynbanejad]

Jamie Benns cross check to Larkins neck?

Ouch. Asking because I missed that injury.

 

[Viqsi]

Sure but it was the same type of comments. He's not getting traded... we will sign him and keep him.

If you seriously can't tell the difference between the Mantha situation and the Larkin situation, I don't know what to tell you.

Is it possible? Sure. Anything's possible. Hell, Yzerman could perhaps one day be seized by a fit of horrible jealousy over the idea of Detroit having a beloved longtime captain at C that isn't him and send the guy away out of spite. Is it likely? No, and seriously trying to pressure Wings fans into those sorts of discussions based on such a remote possibility is kind of a dick move.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ouch. Asking because I missed that injury.

I believed it happen with like 8 games remaining in the season.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Last time I saw a Larkin thread a Detroit fan told me he was worth more than Laine+Kent Johnson+CBJ's first in 2022...

well, he is worth more that…

and I’m not a Detroit or Larkin fan

 

[Zynbanejad]

I believed it happen with like 8 games remaining in the season.

Yeah I remember losing him in fantasy, but didn't realize how nasty it was. Glad he's doing better.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah I remember losing him in fantasy, but didn't realize how nasty it was. Glad he's doing better.

Same here, it definitely could've been much worse then it was.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

May have more to do with Hull's dislike of Avery than his respect for Sakic.

Doubt the dislike part. Hull signed Avery to a lucrative-at-the-time contract in his short, but disasterous turn as the GM in Dallas.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

Larkin wants to play with Werenski and will go as an UFA to Columbus.

I love a good fantasy

 

[Garbageyuk]

I can't tell if you got my point but didn't communicate this clearly or if you missed it entirely.
Suspecting the former.

If I've learned anything about HF, it's that nobody ever gets anyone else's point, ever. Even this post, I know you are not going to get the point. Makes me wonder what is the point?

 

[bernmeister]

Because Detroit has negative interest in trading Dylan Larkin. We don't care if it's a fair deal. The idea is that since we're doing something we really don't want to do, you have to pay through the nose to make us do it. Detroit gains nothing by dealing Larkin for anything remotely in the ballpark of a fair price. It doesn't mean we think he's worth X. It means that we wouldn't give him to you for anything less than X.

usually desire to max improve team means you look for acceptably high profit which varies from situation to situation and asset to asset.

Occasionally you get a guy who there is less than zero reason for a team to deal. So the price goes thru the roof, understandably.
The only immediate flag is he has just 2 yrs, last time I looked.
But unlike say Matthews in TOR and there is a ? of whether or not HE wants to leave at some pt around that 3rd yr, does anyone doubt Larkin can stay in DET for as long as he wants?

 

[Hunter368]

He would cost Habs a lot more then Habs fans would want to pay

 

[Dotter]

I very much doubt MTL have any desire to give up what would be required to pry Dylan away. Wings have no reason or want to trade him.

Fun discussion tho-

 

[Oddbob]

Larkin not available and certainly not for the OP offer.

 

[PullHard]

If for whatever reason Larkin and/ or Yzerman decided it was best to move on I would think something around Larkin for Suzuki would be my starting point

 

[Oddbob]

wings fan and their fixation with a god complex on Steve Yzerman is soooo weird.

"he never lose a trade and always WIN" stfu you sound like a high Dj khaled.

That didn't start or come from Wings fans. Not real ones anyway!

 

[13to40]

While I think the offer isn't good enough for Detroit to consider trading Larkin, if his price is half the Eichel price (which was reported to be equal to 4 1st round pick), KK + 1st 22 is in fact half the supposed Eichel price.

I think KK+ 1st 22 + 2 2nd makes more sense as a serious trade for Larkin.

Teams usually don’t just give their young captains away: usually requires a bit of an overpayment to obtain said player.

 

[LPHabsFan]

No thanks. You guys can keep Larkin. The cost of getting him due to the whole "local hero" thing wouldn't be worth it considering the production he gives.

 

[Baksfamous112]

If for whatever reason Larkin and/ or Yzerman decided it was best to move on I would think something around Larkin for Suzuki would be my starting point

Yeah, no.

 

[Mersss]

If for whatever reason Larkin and/ or Yzerman decided it was best to move on I would think something around Larkin for Suzuki would be my starting point

Are the wings adding Seider or something?

Why would Habs trade a 21YO #1C who's been outproducing Larkin for him?

 

[glenbuis]

Then why did he acquire Leddy, Nedelkovich and Suter if not for his team to take a step forward? They don’t need to make the playoff but if they are somewhat at least competitive that will be a great plus and a good environment for the kids coming in

to acquire more sssets at the deadline

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Are the wings adding Seider or something?

Why would Habs trade a 21YO #1C who's been outproducing Larkin for him?

Suzuki outproducing Dylan Larkin Suzuki has 2 41 point seasons so far. And Larkin had a 45 point season along with a 63, 73 and 53 point season. So how is Suzuki outproducing Larkin so far?

 

[Oddbob]

Suzuki outproducing Dylan Larkin Suzuki has 2 41 point seasons so far. And Larkin had a 45 point season along with a 63, 73 and 53 point season. So how is Suzuki outproducing Larkin so far?

If you are just going to bring logic to this, we can't have a dialogue.

 

[Baksfamous112]

There’s not a single player on Detroit I would trade Suzuki for one for one. None.