Dubas needs to own up to some of these issues

[The CyNick]

The shrewd part of the Muzzin trade is that he is here next year when Gards walks. We suck it up this year with our 5/6 left hand D. Dermott is fine as our #3 RHD.

I don't know if it's shrewd or not. Shrewd would be trading a similar package for a quality top 4 RHD. In theory Dermott should be slotted in as the #2 LHD and then Marlies filling out the bottom pair.

Like I said I don't hate the deal or anything, just think we need to see how things play out before we can really judge. We still have the same huge hole on the right side that we've had since the young GM took over.

 

[The90]

Nope.

Your assertion. You provide proof.

Otherwise it's just sayin' stuff.

5,000,000,000 people aren't wrong, the Nylander deal is fair.

See, I can say stuff too.

I’m team spirit on this one. If he continues to play as he has, and continue to improve he can take the 6.95 every year and I’ll be a happy fan. He’s been probably the most consistent forward our last 10 games or so.

But burn he and Dubas at the stake and all that....

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't know if it's shrewd or not. Shrewd would be trading a similar package for a quality top 4 RHD. In theory Dermott should be slotted in as the #2 LHD and then Marlies filling out the bottom pair.

Like I said I don't hate the deal or anything, just think we need to see how things play out before we can really judge. We still have the same huge hole on the right side that we've had since the old GM took over.

FYP.

 

[Erndog]

I don't know if it's shrewd or not. Shrewd would be trading a similar package for a quality top 4 RHD. In theory Dermott should be slotted in as the #2 LHD and then Marlies filling out the bottom pair.

Like I said I don't hate the deal or anything, just think we need to see how things play out before we can really judge. We still have the same huge hole on the right side that we've had since the young GM took over.

The fact you have to qualify him by using the word "young" to describe him makes it easy to read between the lines.

 

[Spirit of 67]

The fact you have to qualify him by using the word "young" to describe him makes it easy to read between the lines.

Yep

 

[Once]

I don't know if it's shrewd or not. Shrewd would be trading a similar package for a quality top 4 RHD. In theory Dermott should be slotted in as the #2 LHD and then Marlies filling out the bottom pair.

Like I said I don't hate the deal or anything, just think we need to see how things play out before we can really judge. We still have the same huge hole on the right side that we've had since the young GM took over.

What? Lou did nothing to address the issue and instead signed Zaitsev to a 7 year 4.5k contract. Dubas actually acquired a physical/big shot/6'3 dman that we desperately needed in a good hockey trade. Whats the alternative package for acquiring this top 4 RHD?

 

[The CyNick]

FYP.

The experienced GM was much quicker at addressing needs. You will recall he sorted out our goaltending very quickly. Then he replicated that feat in his new spot, and is currently sitting in a home ice advantage spot. Our young GM can't say the same. Unfortunately.

 

[The CyNick]

The fact you have to qualify him by using the word "young" to describe him makes it easy to read between the lines.

That he's young? He also wears glasses, I could call him four eyes, but I don't like to be mean.

 

[The CyNick]

What? Lou did nothing to address the issue and instead signed Zaitsev to a 7 year 4.5k contract. Dubas actually acquired a physical/big shot/6'3 dman that we desperately needed in a good hockey trade. Whats the alternative package for acquiring this top 4 RHD?

Zaitsev was a terrible deal, which if Lou had bothered to call me about, I would have been happy to talk him out of. That said, it did address a need, it just appears to be a swing and a miss. It happens. Our young GM has had more misses in his short tenure as Leafs GM than Lou did for his entire run.

 

[Once]

Zaitsev was a terrible deal, which if Lou had bothered to call me about, I would have been happy to talk him out of. That said, it did address a need, it just appears to be a swing and a miss. It happens. Our young GM has had more misses in his short tenure as Leafs GM than Lou did for his entire run.

I would have to disagree, considering Zaitsev & Marleau are our biggest cap-related issue.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Like I said I don't hate the deal or anything, just think we need to see how things play out before we can really judge. We still have the same huge hole on the right side that we've had since the young GM took over.

The experienced GM was much quicker at addressing needs. You will recall he sorted out our goaltending very quickly. Then he replicated that feat in his new spot, and is currently sitting in a home ice advantage spot. Our young GM can't say the same. Unfortunately.

LOL.

 

[Durrr]

Zaitsev was a terrible deal, which if Lou had bothered to call me about, I would have been happy to talk him out of. That said, it did address a need, it just appears to be a swing and a miss. It happens. Our young GM has had more misses in his short tenure as Leafs GM than Lou did for his entire run.

What are you talking about? Have you actually looked at Lou's tenure after the salary cap was implemented? It's abysmal, basically all around.

Yes he won a cup with the Devils, but most of the core was in place prior to the cap in 04/05.

 

[hotpaws]

What are you talking about? Have you actually looked at Lou's tenure after the salary cap was implemented? It's abysmal, basically all around.

Yes he won a cup with the Devils, but most of the core was in place prior to the cap in 04/05.

if Dubas has half the career LL's had he'll get to the HOF and crapping on LL who also went to a cup final with the cap won't make Dube's light shine brighter

 

[Mr Hockey]

What are you talking about? Have you actually looked at Lou's tenure after the salary cap was implemented? It's abysmal, basically all around.

Yes he won a cup with the Devils, but most of the core was in place prior to the cap in 04/05.

Lou is a HOF'er ...

 

[Durrr]

Lou is a HOF'er ...

Okay, cool. Does that mean he's been successful in the post cap era? Not really.

His trade history is fantastic, his cap management? Not so much.

 

[Durrr]

if Dubas has half the career LL's had he'll get to the HOF and crapping on LL who also went to a cup final with the cap won't make Dube's light shine brighter

Again, they won the cup with the cap, but that entire core was acquired prior to the implementation of the cap. He did well with the Leafs because it played to his strengths, trading and stocking up assets.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Zaitsev was a terrible deal, which if Lou had bothered to call me about, I would have been happy to talk him out of. That said, it did address a need, it just appears to be a swing and a miss. It happens. Our young GM has had more misses in his short tenure as Leafs GM than Lou did for his entire run.

So which d-man should Dubas have traded for instead of Muzzin?

 

[Menzinger]

Lou is a HOF'er ...

Absolutely.

But his stellar work in the 90s and eay 00s doesn’t give him a free pass for questionable decisions made in recent years

 

[Menzinger]

McDavid was the best contract in the league
If you believe that Matthews will make less than 13.94MM after his 5 years are up, you might have a point. McDavid is better and with inflation perhaps Matthews should get paid the same. If Matthews get what I suspect after 5 years which is 15MM plus, he is over paid.

Imo the league has been over due for a contract rebalancing for a while. Middle tier guys like Marleau have maybe 1/4 of the on ice impact of the main guys yet still make 50% of the money.

I’d agree Matthews will be looking at a raise in 5 years but by then it’ll be more of the norm.

 

[Wheels02]

Let's be honest here, the Zaitsev contract was signed when the rebuild was in its early days. Very difficult ultimate for Lou to predict how fast the rebuild would accelerate.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Let's be honest here, the Zaitsev contract was signed when the rebuild was in its early days. Very difficult ultimate for Lou to predict how fast the rebuild would accelerate.

What's the logic here? This guys not worth this term/money but since we suck, who cares?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Absolutely.

But his stellar work in the 90s and eay 00s doesn’t give him a free pass for questionable decisions made in recent years

all GM's make a mistake here and there, only the great ones make it to HOF. Dubus has only been a GM for half a season and we can already question his decisions.

 

[Mr Papagoergyo]

Only reason it makes sense for Muzzin Zaitzev pair is to make him look good for a bit, than try a trade.

 

[ToDavid]

The experienced GM was much quicker at addressing needs. You will recall he sorted out our goaltending very quickly. Then he replicated that feat in his new spot, and is currently sitting in a home ice advantage spot. Our young GM can't say the same. Unfortunately.

Lou is pretty well known as a great goalie GM.

We had the same hole at RD when Lou was in charge. He didn't fix it. And this isn't to disparage him, he did a great job while he was here but he's not a magician.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Fixing the D wasn't a huge priority then as it was once we signed Tavares. The Tavares signing bumped us from a developing team into a contender, you can't blame Lou for the D and Dubas is fixing it now