You have players like Daley and Green in Detroit. They are a good bet to sell one at the deadline.
I think Rinzler said a couple of weeks because that's all the time we have until the TDL. It's not a lot of time but it's all we have left.
6th and 8th, thanks. I thought it was better than that, so much for my memory. Still pretty good though.
As far as: what I'm against is blowing our load in year 1 of whats going to be probably a 10 year or more window to win multiple cups and your not going to be able to go all in every year you have a chance it's about pick your best chances and going for it then
I couldn't agree more, I've been preaching that on a daily basis for a long time now. I keep asking people if we keep JVR and co. and that costs a 1st and a few 2nd's, how much are we going to spend next year or the year after than etc. ? We'll be broke in no time. It's all about picking your spots, figuring when is as you said, our best chance is and the idea that our best chance is now when we have to face maybe the top 2 teams in the NHL in the 1st 2 rounds is just plain nutso. We could beat them sure but betting our future on it, no thanks.
I'm 99% sure this is true. I think most people know that and it's all noise mostly, this is why I normally stay away from trade talks.
Has Babcock specifically stated what he would like to add?
Is it a 3/4 C, another PK winger, a RHD, a player with size?
That quote can be used for many comments that are read here daily.I recall Babs saying he has mde it known to Lou what he wants and he had no intention of telling the media. Also said this on TSN yesterday in a 47 second clip:
Babcock: 'The people who think they’re in the know aren’t in the know'
Ah another Babcock beauty.I recall Babs saying he has mde it known to Lou what he wants and he had no intention of telling the media. Also said this on TSN yesterday in a 47 second clip:
Babcock: 'The people who think they’re in the know aren’t in the know'
Ah another Babcock beauty.
Most of the reporters (McKenzie/Dreger/etc). say don't expect any earth shattering moves from the Leafs.
Chances of big trade: .0001%
Chances of own rentals being dealt: probably the same as above.
This doesn't seem to be outrageous media reporting. It doesn't appear to be stretching the not in the know chances either.
Yeah. At the same time, you want to give every chance a try. If we can make cost-effective improvements to the team to neutralize some weak spot this year, then that might be worth it. Accelerating the time table also works, in the sense that we pay a large load of assets for a long-term piece that can help us right away.
You and I share the same position here. We want to maximize our chances over the larger picture. And bleeding assets has a high likely hood of gutting our chances towards the end of our window. At the same time, missed opportunities shouldn't be discounted. If we hurt our roster enough that we can't compete against the top teams this year, then that's quite a sizable bite out of our chances over the larger picture as well.
That's why we have to worry that if JVR goes, how will our depth scoring and PP fair? We already have issues with the latter, what if losing JVR makes the first unit lose their dynamic? I'm not sure we can replace what he does there.
It all comes down to value for me. If the return for JVR hover around a 1st plus something minor, then I might just keep him. If we get offered Fabbro, or some other high-end RHD prospect? It just might be worth the risk.
It's also about not only the quality of the pool, but also the stage it's in. Right now we are brimming with forward prospects that are ready to make an impact from now to maybe two seasons from now. We will not be able to utilize all of that, so it makes sense to use it.
Getting assets back is important. One thing I think we should consider is that instead of selling off pieces that might be hard to replace, we could sell surplus pieces we have no room for. Look at Korshkov/Grundström/Johnsson/Leivo for example. They'll be competing for one, maybe two spots. A team that wants NHL ready young talent might pay a very good pick for one of them. With good drafting, we can elongate the period where we have quality depth, instead of having a logjam and losing guys cheap because teams know they are waiver-eligible.
Just some thoughts. It's not an easy situation, this.
Doughty and OEL?
Who will both want 7-8 year contracts, in the 10 + million range.
OEL is a lefty, so... umm, doesn't solve the RHD issue.
But Doughty, signed until he's 38, at 10 + million per... is somehow not a disastrous contract in his late thirties, while Weber's is?
Or are we only obtaining these guys are rentals?
I want nothing to do with Weber. Helping out the Canadiens is not something I can see us doing.
I would rather a move for someone younger. If you're going to spend assets, make it worthwhile.
I agree on JVR in that I'd happily trade him for a high-end prospect but maybe not for just around a 1st. That's changed for me from just a few weeks ago because the better we play, the more reluctant I am to mess with it and since Dermott arrived, I'm beginning to like our chances a lot more than I have.
I agree completely that since we can't utilize all our prospects, it makes sense to "recycle" some of them for picks (or package them for something else).
You're right, it's not an easy situation. In addition to the obvious fact that we're now good so we have think about the present AND the future instead of the future, we're also in a really strange situation where we're almost right there with the elite teams in the league which indicates going for it but at the same time, we have to play BOS and TB in the first 2 rounds which indicates patience. This may be uncharted territory, what would be hilarious is if we finished top 3 overall along with BOS and TB, can you imagine that? Leaf fans would go nuts and demand a change to the playoff structure (not a bad idea anyway IMO). I'm not the best historian but I can't remember anything like this. We could finish as high as 3rd overall, and our reward is to face the top 2 teams in the first two rounds, just ridiculous. So yeah, it is not an easy situation, far from it.
So what should we do? As I said before, I like the middle road - forego trading JVR (and the others) but no high priced rentals. A small in-expensive add is fine too but nothing more. I think that's the smart thing to do at this point but maybe I'm just frozen like a deer caught in the headlights?
2 goals and 1 assist in 6 playoff games last year isn't setting the bar that high. They have the wingers to replace 3 points I think. #3C should be harder to fill internally except Boz has been so bad I have zero faith in him scoring at all in the the first round. He isn't done as a player, he's just sulking because he knows he will be moved. I don't think JVR and Bozak are capable of being real factors in a playoff series win. Adios to both and hopefully they bring in two harder working guys to take those spots.
Are the Leafs the team to beat if they give up nothing on the NHL roster and get Tavares?
Are the Leafs the team to beat if they give up nothing on the NHL roster and get Tavares?
I agree! I'm curious to see whether Ekblad could be pulled from Florida! He is on a down year, they have many young prospects and don't like to spend money! At 22, he is a big, reliable RHD that would secure our backend for 10 years!! 7,5 M per would be cheap!
I would give up Lily, Kappy, another prospect and a 1st for him!
Hyman - Matthews - NylanderAre the Leafs the team to beat if they give up nothing on the NHL roster and get Tavares?
That offer is over kill......drop Kappy from it and it would be more fair.
Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
JVR - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Komarov - Bozak - Kapanen
add in an above average defense and a top 5 goalie and we look like the team to beat to me
reread what I wrote,, at the end of 2018-19 .. He'll be 37 then, time to move onHainsey is signed for 1 more year. I think he's going to stay
Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
JVR - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Komarov - Bozak - Kapanen
add in an above average defense and a top 5 goalie and we look like the team to beat to me
Whoa wait.. who's psychic here? Who opened their third eye.. time to fess up!OEL plays RD even if he is a left shot.
I'm not a big fan of saying we should or should not based off psychic predictions. Hence the phrase "we should explore" which you yourself quoted. Obviously if a reasonable deal cannot be reached we don't do it.
Weber's deal takes him to 39 and he is already in decline.
Weber is 32 right now in decline
OEL is 26 and not yet in his prime
Doughty is 28 and in his prime
Neither one would be signed until the age of 39 in your scenario but rather 34 and 36. Slight difference.
Also we do not know if they would be open to taking slightly less in either cap hit or term to be part of a perennial contender, Doughty is from Ontario after all. By my math we can afford a 10mil guy, OEL looks like he might be the cheaper option. We also might be able to get one of them to sign for say 6 year. We just don't know.
It's possible neither is a good match but we should still explore those options before committing to taking on Weber.
I'm sure some will say they will insist on 7 years and both will want insane sums etc etc but the reality is we just don't know.