Wait, is @Aerchon biased for Klefbom?... Now I've heard it allLOL who didn't? Did Klefbom not make any mistakes in your head? You're sooo biased
Wait, is @Aerchon biased for Klefbom?... Now I've heard it allLOL who didn't? Did Klefbom not make any mistakes in your head? You're sooo biased
Nurse was asking for 6+ before, he wasn't worth it then and he isn't worth it now. I guarantee not a single team in the league would give him 8. I've liked Nurse a bit this year, good player to keep, not good enough for what he thinks he is worthOh well Oilers had a chance to lock him up long term for cheap but instead chose to Bridge him.
Was fun watching him play. Hope he enjoys his new team
Nurse was asking for 6+ before, he wasn't worth it then and he isn't worth it now. I guarantee not a single team in the league would give him 8. I've liked Nurse a bit this year, good player to keep, not good enough for what he thinks he is worth
All signs pointed to that being a no go from Nurses camp. He wanted big money, team said no. They went bridge and now he wants even more money and he isnt even worth what he was asking for in the first place. Guy clearly has an ego. Find it funny that the moment the rumor comes out he wants 8 mill his game falls apart againProbably could have went 5.25 with an 8 yr deal.
All signs pointed to that being a no go from Nurses camp. He wanted big money, team said no. They went bridge and now he wants even more money and he isnt even worth what he was asking for in the first place. Guy clearly has an ego. Find it funny that the moment the rumor comes out he wants 8 mill his game falls apart again
I'm pretty sure that he's worth 6ish on a long term deal. We can't let this guy walk now. We dont have anyone with toughness back there, larson comes close but he won't pound anyone if they get smart around our goalie.Nurse is not even worth 6mill at this point. 6 mill and above is meant for legit top pairing D. There aren't too many of those.
Agreed with this. He has changed his game a bit. He’s a physical player. But I agree he isn’t worth that.Nurse was asking for 6+ before, he wasn't worth it then and he isn't worth it now. I guarantee not a single team in the league would give him 8. I've liked Nurse a bit this year, good player to keep, not good enough for what he thinks he is worth
Nurse is not worth 8 million. Nope. Needs a better toolbox to get that kind of cash.
Nurse never asked for 8 million. Trouba is a compairable, agents throw out the high end, GM's bring out the low end. It is just negotiaion.
Trouba isn't even close to a comparable. He was far more experienced than Nurse as a top pairing Dman (22+ minutes for 6 straight seasons) and had a 50 point season to his credit before signing the contract.
Josh Morrissey is the comparable, very similar trajectories although very different styles. Add in a little cap inflation and you have roughly $6.5m on a max term deal. That's the absolute most I can stomach on a Nurse deal and even that I think is a bit too high.
The last three seasons Trouba and Nurse are very compairable for both roles and production(Nurse had 41 pts last season after Klefbom got hurt).
Compairables are exactly what they are, defensmen playing a similar role and the AGENTS not the players do the negotiating. Nurse is not the one chatting up Ken Holland about money, no players on the planet do this and anyone that thinks Nurse is asking for that much clearly do not understand the role of the agent.
Hockey players sign off on the final deal, but they are pretty hands off negotiation wise.
Essentially anyone stating Nurse is asking for 8 million are incredibly uninformed, to the point of ignorance.
Nurse will not be getting 8, that is a starting point for the agent and chances are Holland's starting point is between 4 -5.
The last three seasons Trouba and Nurse are very compairable for both roles and production(Nurse had 41 pts last season after Klefbom got hurt).
Compairables are exactly what they are, defensmen playing a similar role and the AGENTS not the players do the negotiating. Nurse is not the one chatting up Ken Holland about money, no players on the planet do this and anyone that thinks Nurse is asking for that much clearly do not understand the role of the agent.
Hockey players sign off on the final deal, but they are pretty hands off negotiation wise.
Essentially anyone stating Nurse is asking for 8 million are incredibly uninformed, to the point of ignorance.
Nurse will not be getting 8, that is a starting point for the agent and chances are Holland's starting point is between 4 -5.
When Bob mckenzie puts his 2 cents in the mix it goes beyond just agent shenanigans.
The reason the Oilers didn't sign Nurse long term was cap restraints, unconvinced of the players top end, and Nurse wanting more than he is worth.
We all just can only speculate but from all the info I've seen Nurse does have an Inflated opinion of his play and wants big money.
Trouba had twice as much experience as Nurse did in a top pairing role, that's a HUGE difference. These contracts are about the entire body of work and trajectory, not just the last couple of years, and Trouba's body of work and trajectory was far more impressive.
In any event, the 8x8 number (if true) is typical negotiations with the agent starting with a high offer and the team countering with a low so I wouldn't put too much stock into that number. What I'm saying though is that anything over 6.5M on an 8 year deal is an overpay and quite honestly, 6.5M is an overpay but I can respect that it's his market value roughly.
Wow, you just created a narrative out of nothing to bury Nurse(there is zero evidence that Nurse has an inflated sense of his play). Bottom line is Nurse is more important to this team right now then any defensman not named Bouchard or Bear. And again, Nurse is gonna get paid but he is not the one asking for the huge money, the combination of his agent and the market do that.
I get that you are a big Klefbom fan, but do not make up crap about players to fit a narrative.
Fact is is Klefbom has had a brutal season 5 on 5 and last night he pulled probably the worst dive I have seen in years, got out muscled all night and helped kill our PP for the second game in a row. Nurse is a way better guy to represent us then Diver Klefbom, pay the man.
When Bob mckenzie puts his 2 cents in the mix it goes beyond just agent shenanigans.
The reason the Oilers didn't sign Nurse long term was cap restraints, unconvinced of the players top end, and Nurse wanting more than he is worth.
We all just can only speculate but from all the info I've seen Nurse does have an Inflated opinion of his play and wants big money.
Bob McKenzie said they're working on a two year deal under $6M because of cap concerns. He didn't even slightly hint at this bogus $8M number.
Lol.
Ugh. Despite a narrative that I "hate" Klefbom, which was never true, I also am most certainly not a fan boy either. I'm very unbiased when it comes to Klefbom. He sucked last night, but Nurse was not good either, the whole team stank it up.
While I'm not a "fan boy" of Nurse either if we are talking personal preferences i take Nurse over Klefbom for "intangibles" and "potential".
However.
Having said all that Klefbom has been significantly better than Nurse in most the ways that matter the last couple years. When Klefbom gets injured Nurse struggles in that top pairing role. Even in his second pairing role Nurses overall play leaves much to be desired.
Neither are the kind of defensemen that is considered top tier... but Klefbom makes 4... He is a steal at that price. Nurse would have to get exponentially better to make even 6.5 per year a bargain. He just has not shown enough to bet that he will be a great defenseman and anything over 6 long term imo needs that.
That doesn't make any sense because they aren't getting much cap savings on a bridge deal as opposed to a long term deal. $1m max if the bridge is 6m?
Furthermore, they have plenty of cap space to sign Nurse to a ridiculous long term contract if that's the route they take. Not sure what "concerns" Bobby Mac is alluding to.
Bob McKenzie said they're working on a two year deal under $6M because of cap concerns. He didn't even slightly hint at this bogus $8M number.
That doesn't make any sense because they aren't getting much cap savings on a bridge deal as opposed to a long term deal. $1m max if the bridge is 6m?
Furthermore, they have plenty of cap space to sign Nurse to a ridiculous long term contract if that's the route they take. Not sure what "concerns" Bobby Mac is alluding to.