Care to quote where I said that? You clearly either don't want to understand what I'm saying, or perhaps can't comprehend the meaning behind it, but I don't know how much clearer I can make this. A pro athlete's first priority should be to win. I'm not saying players who have more cups than others are better. I'm saying players who want to win are the type of players I want on my team.
It was already quoted but you keep adding to the rhetoric. When you say "A pro athlete's first priority should be to win" (see bolded above) you are clearly implying that the Sedins don't want to win. That's ****ing idiotic. They literally state that they want to win
and also want it to be here, rather than taking the easy way out while also compromising their family life. Winning is not a mutually exclusive proposition from the other two factors, as unlikely as it is that it will happen here during the remainder of their careers. When you say "players who want to win are the type of players I want on my team" (again, see above bolded for where you said that), you are explicitly questioning the Sedins determination and attitude. This is not misconstruing your words in any way. That is simply a literal interpretation of your words, and they've been proven to be wrong for years.
Yup, you're deliberately misinterpreting me. All the while of furthering my point that a lot of people can't have a rational based discussion regarding the Sedins. Any hint of criticism and it becomes too emotional for some people. All rational thought goes out the window.
No, you're crying!
I never said those words. I said I want players who want to win. I liked Doughty's mentality where he wants to win. He has been very successful. Obviously talent has something to do with that, but in a league where there are a lot of talented players the drive to win is what separates the good from the great. Obviously there's more to it because you need a good team around you. I think that's what we saw with Kesler where he wanted to win and wanted out of this clown show. I don't blame him for that.
See the bolded is what Jim Benning and countless other old boys club GM's that you regularly bash think. I think you're wrong. There's not just more to it... a good team is the hard and fast separation between winning teams and losing team. This has already been mentioned, but funnily enough you maintain that line of thinking when defending Luongo, but use it as an argument against the Sedins. Your years of bias is showing.
If Doughty did not have two Stanley Cups to his name, he would be vindicated (like Kesler was and still is) for being a disloyal traitor. There is a ridiculous double standard in how people assess Cup winners and everyone else, and you're one of the biggest perpetrators.
Connor McDavid was a RFA so his options were limited. Again, furthering my point about all rational discussion being thrown out the window. You're also ignoring the fact that Edmonton is one of the favourites to win the Cup. And also the fact that every team is going to have players. It's just very odd to hear a player say that winning a league championship isn't their main priority.
You're ignoring that EVERY player in the NHL says that they want to win a championship, including the Sedins. Again, show us where they said they didn't? Not to mention, you were the one who originally brought up Cups as an argument, which thankfully you're at least trying to move away from.
When the day comes when Tom Brady is no longer an elite QB, just watch. He'll either retire or he'll be cut. They value winning. Not sentimental BS.
Again, if you value two nice guys who shake people's hands and smile, great. All the power to ya. Just don't criticize those of us who value winning over that.
So coming off of a Superbowl Brady is not going to be traded for a high value return and instead they'll allow him to continue playing until a mutually agreed upon exit can occur? Glad you're on the same page.
Just repeating the words "WINNING" means nothing. You conveniently skipped over answering what you think they would actually fetch on the trade market. Also conveniently did not address if you think some combination of Sedin replacements would actually make this team any better in either the short run or long run. Really, you've said nothing other than you want them off the team for a huge haul of assets which you know won't happen... so really you just want them off the team.
I'd like to continue engaging with you on this because it's at least a topic that could merit some discussion, unlike arguing against the flat earth equivalent Benning truthers... but maybe everyone else is right and you'll never get past your weird disdain of the best players in the history of the franchise you follow so closely. I've at least admit that some of what I'm saying comes from the perspective of being a fan of these players. Can you admit that yours are coming from the perspective of someone who has disliked them and bet against them (only to be proven wrong) for years? If so, then maybe there's something left to discuss.
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What does it mean to win a Stanley Cup? It means you were part of the best team in the NHL for that season. It means your name is engraved on one of the oldest trophies in pro sports. It means you're part of that exclusive group of people who have a Stanley Cup ring. It's why players like Ray Bourque and Steve Larmer were willing to move on to different teams at the end of their careers to chase a Stanley Cup. Ray Bourque meant a lot to the City of Boston, and was a prominent member in the city. He took several "hometown" discounts to remain a Bruin throughout his career and yet even he still felt the hunger to win a Cup.
Here's a good article about Bourque looking back on winning the Stanley Cup:
https://www.nhl.com/news/ray-bourque-celebrates-stanley-cup-anniversary/c-280915150
Notice there's nothing in it that suggests it meant anything less to him because he didn't do it as a Bruin. And having followed the NHL back then I can tell you that what's said in the article is true. Almost everyone in the hockey world was getting behind him and the Avalanche to get him that Cup. Even though Colorado had been a perennial powerhouse, and one of those teams you can say "bought" their cups in a pre-cap era, people still wanted to see him get a Cup. It that scene were Sakic hands him the Cup right away is a moment that will be replayed for decades to come.
I get what the Sedins are trying to say. They're grounded here because they've played here all their careers, not unlike Ray Bourque. But I strongly disagree with their attitude towards the game. If winning a championship is not your main priority then what are you doing still playing?
People will still disagree with me because, like I've said and I think it's been proven in this very thread, when it comes to anything that criticizes the Sedins or any disagreement about something the Sedins said or did, all logic goes out the window. The Sedins are treated like Gods on here as if they can do no wrong. They could probably Bertuzzi several senior citizens down Granville and people would find some way to defend them. It's gotten so ridiculous that in this thread someone is mocking the idea of winning. What's the point of playing the game, or supporting a team if you don't care about winning? Oh well, it's okay if we lose as long as we have a bunch of nice guys. Uh huh.
Not everyone values things in the same linear terms. Obviously they feel that jumping ship to win a Cup on a contender is like jumping onto a bandwagon. What is so difficult to understand about that?
The quoted post said it best; if you value winning so much yourself, why don't you cheer for Pittsburgh every year? You again conveniently skimmed over that...
Nobody treats the Sedins like Gods; ridiculous strawman. You don't have a moderate position on them lol, no matter how much you try and frame everyone else as extreme. Fans of other teams have a general consensus that they're slam dunk HHOFers, yet you don't. Why?