Yeah, that was a cheap shot.
If I'm honest, I'm not sure what meaningful discussion is to be had. You've been dismissive and belittling of these players for years. I'm not going to change your mind, so why bother?
Here's a question - do you think winning a Stanley Cup was Roberto Luongo's top priority when he agreed to a trade back to Florida?
Except this has nothing to do with any of those previous discussions. This has everything to do with the topic at hand. And in this article the Sedins state that they would prefer to play out their careers in Vancouver than go somewhere else and win a Stanley Cup. They state that winning a Cup elsewhere wouldn't mean as much to them. That's the problem I have. Winning a Stanley Cup should be their main priority, and that clearly isn't.
If we were talking about any other players they would be open to more criticism, but because it's the Sedins, and like I stated with some of you they can do no wrong, it's apparently okay. Hey, that's fine though. If you prefer to have two nice guys on the team rather than a team of players who want to win the Cup, go for it. Don't let me change your preference. But in doing that you should lose the right to criticize Trevor Linden who's also a good guy, for how poorly he's done his job.
And your final question has already been answered:
But my point still stands: if you're a professional athlete and you don't value winning a Cup there's a problem. And it's a valid complaint with other athletes too. Luongo is another example as someone who preferred playing in a certain spot moreso than winning a Cup.
Something that's been conveniently ignored.
No more extreme than suggesting the team you are a fan of intentionally botch their negotiations with Bo Horvat and lose our future captain/core player in order to get some management folks fired.
As usual, you've completely lost the plot (assuming you ever had it) when it comes to anything Sedin related. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you continue to pollute every Sedin thread - good, bad or ugly - with your unique combination of willful ignorance, utter condescension and utter nonsense.
Your bias is showing. It's been showing for years. It showed with your unique points boondoggle. It showed with your laughable Gaborik/Cammaleri propositions. It's showing again here. You have nothing new to offer this subject, so rather than yelling at the clouds about how much you hate the two best players this franchise has ever had (the two only career players this franchise will have ever had, either) just stop talking and move on to a subject you can actually contribute something of value to.
Not at all. I see this team as needing new management in order to get closer to a Cup. If management didn't botch the Horvat negotiations, and the team ends up a few points higher in the standings, and management gets an extension, you're looking at another decade before we can hope to be contenders. My focus is on wanting Vancouver to win a Stanley Cup. Yours may be to have a team full of nice, likeable guys. To each their own I guess.
There's no bias showing at all. I'm not polluting anything. I'm responding to people who are either attacking me or responding to my posts. But apparently if my opinion doesn't jive with the general consensus it's okay to attack me, ignore what i'm saying and come up with strawmans, bring up something from 10 years ago that's not relevant at all to the discussion, or just openly tell me to shut up.
If this is a thread to just fawn of the Sedins where no actual discussion is permitted, fine, just label it as such and we can honestly move on. People can write down their unconditional love for these guys and have their safe space where anything the Sedins do is great.
My understanding is that this is a message board where we discuss things. My opinion, and I've kept it within the confines of the topic at hand which is their article, is that I do not agree with their mindset and approach to the game at this time. My mindset is that pro athletes top priorities should be to win the championship in whatever league they're in. That's the goal. That's the reason you play. I'm not wrong in thinking this, and there are other pro athletes that have come out and stated they don't care where they play, they just want a Cup.
Or are you telling me that Ray Bourque was wrong to ask to be traded out of Boston to pursue a Cup? I guess his bias is showing to, right?
And for the record, the only ones polluting the Sedin threads are the ones who can't keep the discussion to the topic at hand. The ones who ignore what I'm saying and just respond with "y2k please shut up" or "Blah blah blah Gaborik/Cammalleri." But hey, to each their own I guess.
