OT: Covid-19 (Part 25) Summertime

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

And I agree with this. You can dig up basically anything negative from someone's past and that person's narrative would be forever changed.

Anyway, I'm the wrong person to state an opinion on this matter, as I could not care less about statues, historical and patriotic monuments and symbols, etc.

Obviously, neither do I.


On an another note, anybody ever notice the lucifer statue facing east (on Edward's backside, as he is facing west) in Square Phillips?

 

[PhysicX]

Speaking of cancel culture, you guys reminded me of the Nova Scotia man who, due to a public complaint, is being forced to change his vanity license plate "GRABHER," which is his family name. He's appealing the ruling, rightfully so in my opinion.

"Officials agreed the plate could be interpreted as encouragement to grab a woman without her consent."
"Preventing harm that could flow from such a message on a government plate must be seen as pressing and substantial."

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. This guy is a 20yo young innocent and clueless kid.

But again, these statues belong in a museum of history. It has nothing to do with taking orders from the mob, just an ounce of common sense.

He organized the mob to tear it down.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Speaking of cancel culture, you guys reminded me of the Nova Scotia man who, due to a public complaint, is being forced to change his vanity license plate "GRABHER," which is his family name. He's appealing the ruling, rightfully so in my opinion.

"Officials agreed the plate could be interpreted as encouragement to grab a woman without her consent."
"Preventing harm that could flow from such a message on a government plate must be seen as pressing and substantial."

If he lived in the US, he'd probably get a presidential commendation.

 

[PhysicX]

If he lived in the US, he'd probably get a presidential commendation.

hahahahahahha well said.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If he lived in the US, he'd probably get a presidential commendation.

That country man..

The amount of people who refuse to wear masks.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I have no problem with your point. Let them have that debate and arrive at a consensus. What we're seeing is a mob's sense of entitlement that they can decide for everyone what's allowed to exist.

I don't care about statues either but this whole thing has been extreme.

We talk about protesters and when they loot "they aren't representative"

Now...protesters are vandalizing statues and now that it doesn't fit that last narrative these woke 20 year olds looking for an instagram story are "frustrated after years of oppression"

This harms the cause as far as I'm concerned. Idiot people wanting to be 'part of something' without considering what it even means.

Statues, monuments, etc... they can all go but USA is a joke if they let a bunch of violent activists set the standard of right and wrong. I will never support this violent mob mentality bullshit.

I am so happy to live in Canada. The extreme right is a f***ing mess and the extreme left embarrasses me greatly. In canada, out conservative party is still socialist conservative. Harper was PM for years and no one burned down the streets. This sense of entitlement is toxic.

 

[Milhouse40]

That country man..

The amount of people who refuse to wear masks.

Refuse wearing it it's one thing, I'm even more pissed at the amount of people who will shit on those who decide to wear one and decided to follow the world experts on the subject instead of YouTube/Twitter/Facebook.

Really don't know what's happening down there is really sad and it's not only about the virus.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Speaking of cancel culture, you guys reminded me of the Nova Scotia man who, due to a public complaint, is being forced to change his vanity license plate "GRABHER," which is his family name. He's appealing the ruling, rightfully so in my opinion.

"Officials agreed the plate could be interpreted as encouragement to grab a woman without her consent."
"Preventing harm that could flow from such a message on a government plate must be seen as pressing and substantial."

When I was a kid they'd say "sticks and stones my break my bones but words will never hurt me."

Now it's adapted to "cancel him. Cancel him right f***ing now"

Ah, what a classic phrase.

Cancel culture is very toxic. What it serves to do is suppress any speech the masses feel may be offensive. In many cases, people do not find it offensive, they just fear others will. Then there's that special crowd of fake politicians, celebrities, etc... who go around pretending to be part of movements so they get more instagram followers. What a sad sad state of affairs.

 

[Techcoockie]

He organized the mob to tear it down.

how old are you, if I can ask ?

people are trying to create a society with more respect and less hate towards people, how can you not understand that ?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Certain people deserve to be canceled like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby.

I will give most a second chance who admits wrong doing, ignorance and makes an effort to change. Depending on the severity of their actions.

 

[PhysicX]

What's worrisome to me is the effect of social media on teenagers and young adults. As more and more platforms appear, so does the desire and yearn for likes, subscriptions, and fame. That sense of entitlement, mixed with social media platforms... It's troublesome.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

how old are you, if I can ask ?

people are trying to create a society with more respect and less hate towards people, how can you not understand that ?

You should read the post first. The 20 year old harvard student told older black men "to be quiet, saying that older people should have no say in black activism."

Followed by "Last time I checked, this was my event,"

Solid. Is this the society you're looking for? "f*** the generation that actually dealt with racism. I have to post something on instagram later"

This isn't more respect. It's childish. It's just a coincidence said person was caught on camera and recorded this time.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Certain people deserve to be canceled like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby.

I will give most a second chance who admits wrong doing, ignorance and makes an effort to change. Depending on the severity of their actions.

Agreed. The thing that annoys me most is "X person wrote an offensive joke 10 years ago on twitter. Cancel them!"

It's like...c'mon. It was a joke and it was a decade ago.

Now, serial abusers, criminals, etc...No question. Get rid of them. That isn't cancel culture, that's common sense.

 

[PhysicX]

how old are you, if I can ask ?

people are trying to create a society with more respect and less hate towards people, how can you not understand that ?

Capitalism vs. Utopian society.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What's worrisome to me is the effect of social media on teenagers and young adults. As more and more platforms appear, so does the desire and yearn for likes, subscriptions, and fame. That sense of entitlement, mixed with social media platforms... It's troublesome.

It's the burgeoning ego culture which started with marketing and Ed Bernays in the 30's to 50's. Each subsequent generation has been geared more towards ego and social status. It will only get worst.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

What's worrisome to me is the effect of social media on teenagers and young adults. As more and more platforms appear, so does the desire and yearn for likes, subscriptions, and fame. That sense of entitlement, mixed with social media platforms... It's troublesome.

It really is an issue. I remember when I was in school if you had a cellphone in class it was confiscated, even if you didn't use it, even if it didn't ring.

Now, kids have ipads. By no means am I knocking how technology has progressed but there seems to be no education that followed. Its here, take this at a young age, become used to it and whatever happens happens.

It's dangerous for multiple reasons and its not something we talk about enough.

 

[Lshap]

The cult of great men blinds us to the fact that what we have is due to the lives, efforts and sacrifices of billions of people that came before us, not just this man or this woman.

I honestly dig a lot of your philosophies, but the reality is our societies are built on testaments to individuals. Buildings, paintings, books, statues, movies, music, etc. -- they all have someone's signature or represent someone. Whatever we think of the artist or the subject, these items are everywhere.

The real debate isn't what to do historical artifacts we disapprove of. The debate is who is entitled to make that decision. What process do we go through? That's a really important question, because this won't stop at statues. This search for flaws will plow into buildings, religious symbols, books, music and movies. Oh, and it'll also steamroll over people. We'd better be damn sure we're having an open and fair debate, so that we can reach an open and fair consensus.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I honestly dig a lot of your philosophies, but the reality is our societies are built on testaments to individuals. Buildings, paintings, books, statues, movies, music, etc. -- they all have someone's signature or represent someone. Whatever we think of the artist or the subject, these items are everywhere.

The real debate isn't what to do historical artifacts we disapprove of. The debate is who is entitled to make that decision. What process do we go through? That's a really important question, because this won't stop at statues. This search for flaws will plow into buildings, religious symbols, books, music and movies. Oh, and it'll also steamroll over people. We'd better be damn sure we're having an open and fair debate, so that we can reach an open and fair consensus.

Why not both though? What is so bad in admitting X person did one great act but was also involved in things that will not be acceptable in our time?

This isn't propaganda either, just be honest. If that isn't good then set the right standard for what counts or should remain, not something arbitrary on what the mobs flavor of the week is.

 

[Crusher117]

That country man..

The amount of people who refuse to wear masks.

Did you see the stores that had signs saying customers wearing masks will be refused? It's mind boggling.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Did you see the stores that had signs saying customers wearing masks will be refused? It's mind boggling.

Good lord.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I honestly dig a lot of your philosophies, but the reality is our societies are built on testaments to individuals. Buildings, paintings, books, statues, movies, music, etc. -- they all have someone's signature or represent someone. Whatever we think of the artist or the subject, these items are everywhere.

The real debate isn't what to do historical artifacts we disapprove of. The debate is who is entitled to make that decision. What process do we go through? That's a really important question, because this won't stop at statues. This search for flaws will plow into buildings, religious symbols, books, music and movies. Oh, and it'll also steamroll over people. We'd better be damn sure we're having an open and fair debate, so that we can reach an open and fair consensus.

I agree. Who decides what is a problem. Our culture is driven by media and governments and the decisions are aimed to be protective of institutions. This leaves way to huge biases on which figures are held and which aren't.

And this is why many great contributors to humanity are less known. Seriously, who's ever heard of D.W. Winnicot, John Bowlby, Jaak Panksepp, Susumu Ohno, Barbara McClintock, Marian Diamond, Ramon Y Cajal, so on and so on?

Culture is geared, not towards the individual, but more precisely, the individuals that work into the framework and mindset of the institutions.

 

[Lshap]

how old are you, if I can ask ?

people are trying to create a society with more respect and less hate towards people, how can you not understand that ?

But these people aren't creating anything and they're not acting with respect. In fact, they're doing the opposite. Most of the worst excesses in human history were done by people who were certain of their righteous cause. The certainty that you're right and everyone else is wrong is the biggest danger of all.

Want REAL social progress? How about women's suffrage, worker's unions, civil rights, women's liberation , LGBTQ rights, #metoo. Those groups opened up debate. Today's groups are shutting down debate.

 

[DavePeak]

Hmm how is BC doing it differently?
QC has gradually reopened for 2 months now and cases continued to drop to where we were under 50 cases daily.
BC is open as much as QC and had 218 cases yesterday no?

While I mostly agree with you that the way Quebec has reopened so far is fine (imo the problem is that a good part of the population doesn’t seem to care anymore compared to back in March/April), your numbers are off. 218 was the total new cases for the Canada yesterday, not including BC or Quebec as they don’t update their numbers during weekends. So Ontario + Alberta (+1 in SK). BC has a total of 159 active cases. That should go up when they update the data later today. They don’t test as much as here, but they also aren’t really a hotspot anymore.

I have a hard time comparing QC with BC, our situation is really closer to Ontario. Isn’t it a different SARS-CoV2 strain than theirs?

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Trump really said that?

I’ll let you look online, but basically he retweeted (and eventually deleted) a video in which some protestors for and against him clashed, praising the former. The problem is that one of those supporters clearly yelled white power, so not the most brilliant idea to publish the video and say thanks.

 

[Lshap]

I agree. Who decides what is a problem. Our culture is driven by media and governments and the decisions are aimed to be protective of institutions. This leaves way to huge biases on which figures are held and which aren't.

And this is why many great contributors to humanity are less known. Seriously, who's ever heard of D.W. Winnicot, Susumu Ohno, Barbara McClintock, Marian Diamond, Ramon Y Cajal, so on and so on?

Culture is geared, not towards the individual, but more precisely, the individuals that work into the framework and mindset of the institutions.

Thanks for my next reading list. I never heard of those people but will read up on them!

One of my heroes is a Canadian women, Nellie McClung. Few people east of Manitoba ever heard of her, but she was brilliant, funny as hell, and the key voice in the bill to give women the vote back in 1916. I developed a serious historical crush on this lady.