nice recap.There is no question life as we knew it will be different after this passes. There will be lots of hardship as a fallout of this pandemic and shutting down the economy but saving human lives will always be the highest priority.
One of the main reasons however that the final outcome on society being worse than it has to be, is because people are not doing everything now in their power individually as responsible people to lesson that impact.. Those that are, are not only focusing on human lives saved, but also the economy at the same time when they shelter at home, and self isolate and let this pass as quick as possible.
The resistance (lets call them) is actually risking more lives now and also prolonging the economy recovery by months by dragging it out into extended times now, which keeps the shutdown in effect because the virus continues to spread rather than being defeated.
The world is working on a vaccine as fast as possible to help save lives and return to normalcy, what is happening now is buying them time and trying to save as many lives in the process. In fact those 15 minute tests we were discussing earlier are a step once mass production occurs which will allow those that are negative or have already been infected and recovered making the antibodies themselves will be able to return to the work force.
The goal isn't to isolate the most vulnerable, its really about isolating those infected from the mass world population that isn't, to return the economy ASAP.
i think people don’t have any idea what the current state of our healthcare system is. And how it gets funded.
one of the major issues we have is we don’t have ICU beds...... well why? Because no one thought of It? There were no movies about it?
there haven’t been protests of cuts?
The economy fuels the healthcare system.
We “couldn’t afford” basic healthcare or ICU beds... but now we can afford for the country to stop working?
Why aren’t there 10,000 icu beds? How much money and lives would we save?
And where do the beds come from?They could just convert the arenas into an ICU building. Lets think about this...
High Schools can become makeshift ICU (Not like kids go there anymore anyways)
Closed stores
Banquet Halls can become ICU
Arenas
Universities
It's not hard if you have an imagination. That's why I think the measures are stupid or perhaps the people running the governments of the world are just so dumb and I am genius. Am I a genius? Maybe comparatively all things considered.
And where do the beds come from?
It's not hard if you have an imagination.
here is the issue that I have though. I have worked in the system since 2006. I can tell you that at every turn. Funding has been cut. We have been told there is no money for breaks, extra staff, security measures.
Health care is intrinsically linked to public funding. There are HOURS a day, multiple times a week, where there are no ambulances on the road for 500k people.... and Ford was still. Cutting. Still. Police/ems/fire/hospital all have no money.
Ford cut millions from emergency services like 3 months ago.
Now we expect the government can afford 100 billion? And we will be able to afford all this healthcare?
Why are we using. Old equipment now? If there was 100 billion dollars, why are there no police/ambulances? Why are people waiting on stretchers and being treated in hallways?
maybe because the previous government tried to give everyone everything for free, digging a hole the present government has been trying to rectify?
Imo, no government could accurately "budget" for a pandemic of these proportions.
Why didn’t the use 10 billion dollars to provide proper services?
from 13 years in the system I have serious concerns about my job etc after this. Provided I don’t die from it from the job... are we really expecting. That the government, who couldn’t afford to put ambulances on the street will have public funding after this?
2 years later the healthcare ramifications will be unimaginable unless they have been lying the whole time.
we have 100 billion dollars to drop.... but we couldn’t afford masks?
We are so worried about ICU beds, and we should be...... but why weren’t we worried last year? Why were we cutting when we had. 100 billion dollars? Why isn’t there more beds?
Actually there would have been 100,000 deaths in Ontario using the herd immunity method.Numbers from Ontario ... would have just went with herd immunity
Not looking for sympathy as I am young and very healthy, but I have a suspected case of COVID-19. The pain/pressure in my upper left lung is very uncomfortable, and the moderate shortness of breath is.. inconvenient. Telehealth told me to sit tight and monitor. Stay safe folks. I had been self isolating for a week before my symptoms, praying I didnt spread this to my coworkers.
Actually there would have been 100,000 deaths in Ontario using the herd immunity method.
Well what do you think Ontario and Canada should do? Your opinions seem to jump allover the place just to raise controversy.Not statistically significant and does not even approach the rates of a bad flu year. Even with the 100,000 number is less than 1% death rate. I guess money families will have fun buying up all the leveraged peoples homes, all the debt strapped. Meh, whatever fine lock it up boys I don't care anymore. Lock her right up.
And where do the beds come from?
Best of luck. I had pneumonia in my early 30's which lasted a week. Same thing it was in 1 lung. Pain for me was lower rib. It was viral kind so there was no treatment but rest and chicken soup. Best thing I found was sleep. Took me a good week of it to pass. Sucks because exercise of any kind makes things worse. Try a heat pad on area which is sore. I found it relaxed me a little so I could fall asleep.Not looking for sympathy as I am young and very healthy, but I have a suspected case of COVID-19. The pain/pressure in my upper left lung is very uncomfortable, and the moderate shortness of breath is.. inconvenient. Telehealth told me to sit tight and monitor. Stay safe folks. I had been self isolating for a week before my symptoms, praying I didnt spread this to my coworkers.
I'm of the opinion of dealing with the pandemic first and dealing with what's left of the economy later, triage the hazards...............
It’s not your fault if anyone happened to get it from you. This puppy is really silent as we all know. You just relax and get better and don’t worry. Get well quickly we will be wanting to hear back when you are all better for a updateNot looking for sympathy as I am young and very healthy, but I have a suspected case of COVID-19. The pain/pressure in my upper left lung is very uncomfortable, and the moderate shortness of breath is.. inconvenient. Telehealth told me to sit tight and monitor. Stay safe folks. I had been self isolating for a week before my symptoms, praying I didnt spread this to my coworkers.
I'm of the opinion of dealing with the pandemic first and dealing with what's left of the economy later, triage the hazards...............
Data clearly suggests that even though people of certain age won't die they could potentially require hospitalization; with the kind of exponential spread if everybody gets infected, X% of these people will require hospitalization. If all of X% do not get immediate care probability of them dying is much higher regardless of age or underlying condition.
If most of the people are sick and then spread the sickness what kind of economy do we expect to have anyway....??? Labour is required for economy to function and for good economy productive good labour is required.
If half your labour is sick and 50% of those sick require immediate medical help with this f***ing virus mutating there isn't going to be any economy left
0% real gdp growth doesn't mean it is bad it just means we are as well of this year as we were last year (or any time period).
Saving the economy when people are healthy is one thing; but trying to save the economy when the major component of that economy "labour" is potentially at risk is absolutely STUPID!
Consumer demand is being maintained in the economy with government already spending money.
Major part of Canadian GDP is domestic household income and domestic household consumption ; if households get effed over by the virus; there is no GDP.
check the facts at statcan.gc.ca for GDP statistics.
The Daily — Gross domestic product, income and expenditure, fourth quarter 2019
Valuing economy over human lives is not only absolutely ethically wrong but supremely MORONIC and complete lack of understanding of what "economy" even means when you try to put one of major inputs of GDP i.e. labour at potential health risk
Not looking for sympathy as I am young and very healthy, but I have a suspected case of COVID-19. The pain/pressure in my upper left lung is very uncomfortable, and the moderate shortness of breath is.. inconvenient. Telehealth told me to sit tight and monitor. Stay safe folks. I had been self isolating for a week before my symptoms, praying I didnt spread this to my coworkers.
That’s my point... The economy closing down is going to do much more damage then 100K
going to watch the housing market get destroyed now
That’s my point... The economy closing down is going to do much more damage then 100K
going to watch the housing market get destroyed now
Who gives a shit about what your house is worth?
have you been to Detroit?
I think everyone agrees that right now we have to do what we have to do. What I have been saying all along is that this is unsustainable long term. Certain people have acted like we can all just stop working for 2 years and the government can just take care of it.
I don’t believe anyone here is saying they are flaunting the rules or not taking it seriously. It’s clear that this is a step we need to make now. But it will have grave consequences long term. There will be a tipping point.