Bo Horvat vs. Nazem Kadri

[zeke]

Cherry picking and distorting again Zeke. In the three years after he was drafted, Kadri played 51 games and had 19 points and was spending most of his time in the minors. Horvat had played 150 games and 60 points.

I guess.

I was comparing Bo's 2 best and most recent seasons with Kadri at the same age. Seems apples to apples to me.

But we can compare them at ages 19-20 too, if you want, even with Kadri's tiny sample. And we can debate the genius of the Ronnie Wilson / Dallas Eakins braintrust that actually tried to turn Kadri into a winger even when he was dominating the AHL as a center, and the Leafs had no centers to speak of.

19-20

Kadri: 30gms, ES 12:53 (C+ qc), 1.55p/60, 1.09p1/60, 49.3cf% (+2.7), 49.1xgf% (+2.0) / PP 2:29, 1.60p/60, 0.80p1/60
Horvat: 150gms, ES 12:00 (C+ qc), 1.53p/60, 1.13p1/60, 45.4cf% (-3.2), 44.6xgf% (-1.4) / PP 1:04, 4.06p/60, 3.69p1/60

So even then, while RonnieWilson/DallasEakins in all their genius wouldn't give this guy any opportunity, Kadri had very similar usage as Horvat at Even Strength, and matched him offensively while being a far better possession player. (Admittedly, Kadri did nothing on the PP in those 30gms.)

Does Kadri's line there look like someone who should have been kept in the AHL (where he was already a ppg player)? I think the answer is pretty obvious. RonnieWilsonDallasEakins, wherever they're working now, I'm sure still disagree.

 

[Koolboss]

this poll shows how hated Kadri is
i like it

 

[Amadeus]

I have no idea how Horvat is winning this.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I have no idea how Horvat is winning this.

Probably because the vast majority of non Leaf fans see him as a better player. I have no idea how Kadri has so many votes.

 

[Holymakinaw]

this poll shows how hated Kadri is
i like it

Kadri is BY FAR the better player, and will absolutely feast this season, with all those other Leaf players drawing all the attention. Another 30/30 season is coming for Kadri........probably better.

Horvat? Well, not so much.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Probably because the vast majority of non Leaf fans see him as a better player. I have no idea how Kadri has so many votes.

Since Kadri is coming off back to back 30 + goal seasons which is something Horvat has not done yet, I can not see how he's the better player than Kadri?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Kadri is BY FAR the better player, and will absolutely feast this season, with all those other Leaf players drawing all the attention. Another 30/30 season is coming for Kadri........probably better.

Horvat? Well, not so much.

Lol! You crack me up!

 

[Holymakinaw]

Lol! You crack me up!

Let's see...........a good defensive, multiple 30 goal, 55-60-point player

vs. a 20 goal, 40-point guy?

Yeah, its a no brainer.

Enjoy your 40 point guy. He'd be a 4th line Centre on the Leafs.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Let's see...........a good defensive, multiple 30 goal, 55-60-point player

vs. a 20 goal, 40-point guy?

Yeah, its a no brainer.

Enjoy your 40 point guy. He'd be a 4th line Centre on the Leafs.

Lol! You’re the reason I come to this board.
Comic relief. You crack me up man!

Funniest poster. AINEC!

 

[Holymakinaw]

Meh. It's true.

He'd obviously never beat out Matthews, Tavares or Kadri. He'd be on Toronto's 4th line.

Fact.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Meh. It's true.

He'd obviously never beat out Matthews, Tavares or Kadri. He'd be on Toronto's 4th line.

Fact.

Oh for sure. The Leafs are the most stacked team since the Oiler dynasty.

You’ve never seen a Leaf poll yet where you didn’t choose the Leaf and say AINEC!
You crack me up!
Fuuniest poster on the board!

 

[CP4]

Also, here are some UN-advanced stats from the last 2 seasons, worth noting.......

GOALS
Kadri - 64
Horvat - 42

POINTS
Kadri - 116
Horvat - 96

The past 2 years.. the same 2 years that Kadri had career seasons? Because before that it looked like he was putting up numbers comparable or worse to Horvats. Bo is also nearly 5 years younger and projecting much better. The poll is very clearly showing who people regard as the better player here.

 

[CP4]

Meh. It's true.

He'd obviously never beat out Matthews, Tavares or Kadri. He'd be on Toronto's 4th line.

Fact.

Youre also very insecure or the biggest troll job on this website.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I think Kadri is the better player right now. I also don’t know how he’s going to get 30 goals again with third line minutes. Sure he might play top PP, but who’s going to score more often? Kadri or Matthews, Tavares, Marner?

 

[Regal]

Since Kadri is coming off back to back 30 + goal seasons which is something Horvat has not done yet, I can not see how he's the better player than Kadri?

Why do you keep using goals as the sole determining factor for players?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Why do you keep using goals as the sole determining factor for players?

Because scoring goals is what makes a difference in winning and losing.

 

[rent free]

Why do you keep using goals as the sole determining factor for players?

it's because kadri doesn't get many assists. that's why.

 

[LeafsNation75]

it's because kadri doesn't get many assists. that's why.

It's funny because until Kadri recorded his back to back 30+ goal seasons, he use to have more assists than goals scored prior to the 2016-2017 season.

 

[nucks88]

this poll shows how hated Kadri is
i like it

Or maybe most posters think Horvat is the better player? Nah that can't be it....

 

[Regal]

Because scoring goals is what makes a difference in winning and losing.

But there's a lot more that goes into those goals than simply who scores them. I think Kadri is currently better when you look at the rest of the numbers as well, I just find it odd to rely so heavily on goal totals without context. It's not like anyone considers Laine the 2nd best player in the league last season.

 

[bert]

Whoever wears the leaf in every poll! Greatest team of all time!

 

[Icebreakers]

I have no idea how Horvat is winning this.

You would be a fool to think Kadri would hit his point totals on the Canucks. Look at Kadri totals when the leafs were shit.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Or maybe most posters think Horvat is the better player? Nah that can't be it....

Coming from the same guy that went on record by saying "Da Leafz bein eliminated from playoffz is better than sex...durrrrr!!!"

Yeah, you're not really a paragon of objectivity when it comes to the Leafs.

 

[nowhereman]

Horvat now and certainly into the future. And that didn't even require a second thought.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Kadri is BY FAR the better player, and will absolutely feast this season, with all those other Leaf players drawing all the attention. Another 30/30 season is coming for Kadri........probably better.

Horvat? Well, not so much.

Why would you create a poll where you have such a strong opinion on who should win?

Are you looking for confirmation?