Bo Horvat vs. Nazem Kadri

[Holymakinaw]

Who is the better Centre, now & going forward?

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[Filthy Dangles]

8 - 0 Bo....not the way you though thtis would go eh opie

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

There should be four options, I’d say Naz now, Bo future.

 

[cowgirlcath]

I like Horvat much more.

 

[TheMule93]

There should be four options, I’d say Naz now, Bo future.

Yeah basically

 

[Kelly]

Naz previously, probably Bo next year and going forward.

 

[DieTomi]

I like Kadri a lot but I think Horvat is better now and in the future.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Naz now and Bo as soon as 1-2 years easy.

 

[Icebreakers]

Kadri before this past year but Horvat now and going forward. 5 year age gap and Horvat has improved every single year hes been drafted .

 

[LeafsNation75]

Kadri now and going forward because he's had a better career so far.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Both good players but I think as early as this year it will be Horvat. He’s taken a big step every single year. Probably the most improved skater I’ve seen in quite a while. He just works so hard to improve areas where he is weakest. I think he ends up as a very strong two way player and captain. A better overall player imo.

 

[zeke]

all you have to do is be younger to get voted ahead of a better leaf.

 

[Icebreakers]

all you have to do is be younger to get voted ahead of a better leaf.

Well, when you are younger and better, whats the point of voting for the other person? No logic here. You have Leaf fans voting for Horvat and admitting hes better in this thread.

 

[Leafidelity]

Well, when you are younger and better, whats the point of voting for the other person? No logic here. You have Leaf fans voting for Horvat and admitting hes better in this thread.

Yeah that hasn't happened yet

 

[Icebreakers]

Yeah that hasn't happened yet

Debatable. I mean they are really close right now. One could argue one is a tad bit better than the other, but i mean the gap is 5 years. Would anyone be actually surprised if Horvat was better this year? This is projecting now as in this season im assuming.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Kadri for another year or 2. Then Horvat

 

[Leafidelity]

Debatable. I mean they are really close right now. One could argue one is a tad bit better than the other, but i mean the gap is 5 years. Would anyone be actually surprised if Horvat was better this year? This is projecting now as in this season im assuming.

Im not saying he can't be better than Kadri, but I don't think he has taken that step yet. You are right, it could happen this year.

 

[93LEAFS]

Kadri is better now, but Horvat is likely to soon surpass him. As stated, it needs 4 options.

 

[Icebreakers]

Im not saying he can't be better than Kadri, but I don't think he has taken that step yet. You are right, it could happen this year.

I would say last season they were pretty much equal.

Horvat was on pace for 28+28=56. (Its not like he only played like 30 games, he played 64) Im dead confident he would have hit around that mark.

Kadri had 32+23=55

Kadri had approximately 40% of his even strength points with Marner and Marleau as his linemates

Horvat had approximately 40% of his even strength points with Baertschi and Boeser.

Kadri had 34% of his points come on the PP

Horvat had 29% of his points come on the PP

I think its fair to say Kadri is what he is right now and i dont know the situation with Tavares in the mix.

Horvat is going to be playing #1 C for the Canucks all season with Boeser as his linemate all year.

 

[CBJFan827]

Horvat's better, both in skill and in the opportunity to show it this upcoming season, but Kadri's on a great deal.

 

[93LEAFS]

I would say last season they were pretty much equal.

Horvat was on pace for 28+28=56. (Its not like he only played like 30 games, he played 64) Im dead confident he would have hit around that mark.

Kadri had 32+23=55

Kadri had approximately 40% of his even strength points with Marner and Marleau as his linemates

Horvat had approximately 40% of his even strength points with Baertschi and Boeser.

Kadri had 34% of his points come on the PP

Horvat had 29% of his points come on the PP

I think its fair to say Kadri is what he is right now and i dont know the situation with Tavares in the mix.

Horvat is going to be playing #1 C for the Canucks all season with Boeser as his linemate all year.

We just going to ignore that Horvat got more ice-time at both ES and on the PP if you are going to look at pace and linemates? Those factors are sort of important. 40 seconds a game on the PP adds up pretty quickly over an entire year.

 

[Icebreakers]

We just going to ignore that Horvat got more ice-time at both ES and on the PP if you are going to look at pace and linemates? Those factors are sort of important. 40 seconds a game on the PP adds up pretty quickly over an entire year.

lol Horvat had less of a % of his total points as PP points than Kadri does so that makes no sense. Who cares if you get 10 PP minutes per game and never score? Also more ice time does not automatically equal more production. Maybe you get more PP time because your pp does not convert as often, therefore you have more PP minutes.

Player A scores 5 seconds into the PP, gets 1 point and 5 seconds of PP time, player B scores 1 minute into the PP, gets 1 point and 1 minute of PP time. Does that mean player A should have scored more because he got less pp time? no.

They were pretty damn even last year.

 

[93LEAFS]

lol Horvat had less of a % of his total points as PP points than Kadri does so that makes no sense. Who cares if you get 10 PP minutes per game and never score? Also more ice time does not automatically equal more production. Maybe you get more PP time because your pp does not convert as often, therefore you have more PP minutes.

Player A scores 5 seconds into the PP, gets 1 point and 5 seconds of PP time, player B scores 1 minute into the PP, gets 1 point and 1 minute of PP time. Does that mean player A should have scored more because he got less pp time? no.

They were pretty damn even last year.

Well, you can't look at PP time in the abstract like that. A 3/4 of PP's are killed, most of the times even higher. So, when examing the whole thing it does. More ice-time equals more opportunity to score. Plus, isn't a teams PP converting more when you on the ice a positive trait. But, the reason the Kadri gets less PP time is that the Leafs tend to run two equal units.

I'd actually say if you get 10 mins a game and your unit never converts, that is probably a sign that you aren't a good PP player. Players need to take advantage of an opportunity.

 

[zeke]

Well, when you are younger and better, whats the point of voting for the other person? No logic here. You have Leaf fans voting for Horvat and admitting hes better in this thread.

Age 21-22

Kadri: 69gms, 15:29 (B- qc), 49.2cf% (+3.8rel), 50.2xgf% (+6.3rel), 23gls, 51pts (82gms, 27gls, 61pts)
Horvat: 145gms, 18:37 (B qc), 47.6cf% (+0.1rel), 48.8xgf% (+3.4rel), 42gls, 96pts (82gms, 24gls, 54pts)



Kadri was better than Horvat at that age.

Kadri is much better now.

 

[Icebreakers]

Well, you can't look at PP time in the abstract like that. A 3/4 of PP's are killed, most of the times even higher. So, when examing the whole thing it does. More ice-time equals more opportunity to score. Plus, isn't a teams PP converting more when you on the ice a positive trait. But, the reason the Kadri gets less PP time is that the Leafs tend to run two equal units.

I'd actually say if you get 10 mins a game and your unit never converts, that is probably a sign that you aren't a good PP player. Players need to take advantage of an opportunity.

The pp doesnt even run through Horvat. He literally stands in front of the net 90% of the PP. It was Boeser + Edler on the point with Sedins on both wings and Horvat always trying to screen the goalie. Boeser and the Sedins were racking up the PP points.

Like i said, Horvat only had 29% of his total points as PP points, which is less than Kadri. Horvat was not properly used on the PP last season, nor is he a PP specialist.

37 extra seconds of pp time doesnt mean anything unless if you have the context to back it up.

Toronto had the second best PP % in the league, which means they would be on the PP less often because they would convert more often.

Kadri and Horvat were pretty damn even last season. Im not sure how you could debate otherwise.