Almost a full season is not enough time to adjust? It took Scandella about one game. I don't buy the adjustment argument. Faulk was never a great player in Carolina. He was good offensively but sucked defensively. He was also a big fish in a small pond, a one-dimensional PP specialist on a bad team. We have already seen the "real" Justin Faulk, on a good team.
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So much of this is comfort and confidence. He was asked to play his off side and then shuffled all over the lineup after a career where he was getting 1st line minutes in Carolina. Haven't we all seen that in areas of our lives- when we are more comfortable and more confident we perform better? This is bigger issue for some folks than others, but using it to invalidate the player Faulk can be is silly. Faulk has been very good in stretches and after a training camp I expect he will be very good overall.
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We can hope for him to regain that level of play, but we shouldn't count on it. Plenty of Carolina fans thought there were warning signs of decline in his play.
Disagree. His last year in Carolina was strong after bad year prior. But regardless, his play here wasn't due to being old or slow or anything that would suggest it was due to aging.
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I'm just saying what Carolina fans have been saying for years.
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I’m willing to give Faulk one more year before I jump on the “gtfo” train
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Faulk will only be here for another year. He’s Seattle-bound.
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Faulk won't be moved. If Shattenkirk actually wanted to stay here, he'd still be here, Army wants 3 high-end RHD for some reason.
And while Army has realized mistakes in the past, people forget how long he's stuck with them until he did something about it. Hell, he extended Berglund after seeing what he was for years and years. Lehtera had 2 full seasons of bad hockey. Halak and Stewart had long stretches. Army typically gives players plenty of time before either realizing that they aren't a fit or doubling down on them. He's not one to quickly pull the plug.
And while Army has realized mistakes in the past, people forget how long he's stuck with them until he did something about it. Hell, he extended Berglund after seeing what he was for years and years. Lehtera had 2 full seasons of bad hockey. Halak and Stewart had long stretches. Army typically gives players plenty of time before either realizing that they aren't a fit or doubling down on them. He's not one to quickly pull the plug.
From day 1 Faulk felt like an insurance policy. We will probably never know all the details behind Army’s decision to get Faulk.
If Army truly wanted a stacked RHD he could have went after Faulk one year earlier. I don’t buy the idea Army has some weird focus on a stacked RHD.
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I'm sure he did. Faulk was in the rumors for awhile and Army tends to keep things close and not leak things. He probably cost too much with 2 years left on a deal.
I’ll go on the limb by thinking Faulk gets traded in the offseason for less than Army gave to get him. Steen is gone if CBO’s happen and those two things are probably the best case scenario.
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I would take picks or problematic top prospects which hasnt blossom yet. Like Ho-Sang, Puljujärvior Lias Andersson.
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Bozak has made me a fan in his short tenure with the Blues. Add to that, we had/have the perfect role for him, i would love for him to finish his contract with us. I honestly believe we can accomplish what we need from just moving Allen and Steen in the offseason.
We most definitely could, as moving both of them clears 10.1 million in cap. The problem becomes - who is going to take Steen without a significant sweetener attached? He makes almost a million more against the cap, produces less, and is older than Bozak. Add to the fact he has a NTC and, frankly, the Blues are not shy about the high regard they hold Steen in, its not likely.
Moving Bozak and Allen still clears plenty of space and likely wouldn’t require the Blues attaching anything to either to move them. They won’t get anything of value back, but that’s not a huge worry.
Tampa and the Blues both face a cap crunch in the offseason. Their D is similar in that each team is loaded on one side. Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Faulk on the right vs Hedman, McDonagh, and Sergachev on the left.
Could a Parayko for Sergachev deal make sense for both teams?? There still has to be a couple of big moves by each team but would you move Parayko in a Sergachev package???
Sergachev Pietrangelo
Dunn Faulk
Scandella Bortuzzo
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Hedman Parayko
McDonagh Shattenkirk
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Could a Parayko for Sergachev deal make sense for both teams?? There still has to be a couple of big moves by each team but would you move Parayko in a Sergachev package???
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I’m not very familiar with Sergachov. But there’s 3 Blues who are nearly untouchable on the Blues for me (unless for an over payment). Parayko, Thomas and ROR. And Binny is close to them.
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Nobody is going to just take Steen off our hands. Bozak and Allen I feel like could have minimal positive value to the right teams.
But what about something else... Package all 3 for a longer term contract that isn't all that great...
This would be pretty much impossible, because both Steen and Bozak would have to waive to the same place, but it's fun to think about.
The other thing that makes it impossible, is how many teams have an extra 10M in cap for next year.
Player Cap Salary
Steen 5.75M 3.5M
Bozak 5M 4.25M
Allen 4.35M 4M
Total 15.1M 11.75M
But what if you could convert that 15M cap hit for next year, into like 5-7M next year, plus another year or two.
Like, for instance an Alex Wennburg, who is pretty meh, and overpaid for 3 more years at 4.9M.
Blues would save 10.2M this season, but would also have an extra 4.9M committed to Wennberg for 2 addtional seasons.
But what about something else... Package all 3 for a longer term contract that isn't all that great...
This would be pretty much impossible, because both Steen and Bozak would have to waive to the same place, but it's fun to think about.
The other thing that makes it impossible, is how many teams have an extra 10M in cap for next year.
Player Cap Salary
Steen 5.75M 3.5M
Bozak 5M 4.25M
Allen 4.35M 4M
Total 15.1M 11.75M
But what if you could convert that 15M cap hit for next year, into like 5-7M next year, plus another year or two.
Like, for instance an Alex Wennburg, who is pretty meh, and overpaid for 3 more years at 4.9M.
Blues would save 10.2M this season, but would also have an extra 4.9M committed to Wennberg for 2 addtional seasons.
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I...would have to think long and hard about it. Serg is already so good and only 21 (will be 22 next month). They only played about 100 mins together but Sergachev and Hedman caved teams in while playing together, something I think you could replicate here with Petro. All of this is contingent on re-signing Petro, but I think given the age, contract situation and positional factors it's something you have to at least consider. Serg isn't the defensive force Parayko is right now, but certainly can hold his own and has some edge to his game. Personally I would run:
Serg-Petro (could be the best pair in the league for the next 3-5 years)
Scandella-Faulk (Scandella can be the stay at home option allowing Faulk to play his game)
Dunn-Bortz
All that said, I don't think Tampa would go for it, nor do I think the Blues would move Colt for anything else other than a clear overpayment.
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I'm still a firm believer that Allen would be of interest to Detroit. Snag something like a 3rd or less from them.
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Parayko is such a unicorn player a contending team shouldn’t trade. What about something around dunn and kyrou for serg and a second/prospect?
It’s a lot but you would have to for them to consider trading him
It’s a lot but you would have to for them to consider trading him
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