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3 (potential) bad news:



He also hinted of going to arbitration. This reeks of Ryan O'Reilly 2.0.



If both sign elsewhere that will leave us with many holes upftont.



Bridge is a possibility now? FFs!!

Hopefully they have enough room for Matthias once he figures out what his market value is. Because he'll likely learn that his current salary is inflated from Toronto. Letting him find that out is way smarter than them trying to even match his current salary in order to keep him.

If he gets something comparable to what hes making now from another team so be it, ill be glad it was not us.
 

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Honestly if Zona gets a deal done that makes a huge change to the UFA market.

For sure. It probably doesn't change much for the draft because they'll be thinking long-term but maybe (hopefully) they decide they don't need to take Juolevi or Sergachyov in the top 10.
 

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3 (potential) bad news:



He also hinted of going to arbitration. This reeks of Ryan O'Reilly 2.0.



If both sign elsewhere that will leave us with many holes upftont.



Bridge is a possibility now? FFs!!


Disagree with the assessment of all 3.


1. This doesn't seem like ROR at all. With ROR he wanted to go long term and the Avs didn't which is what led them down the path. With ROR the Avs never ever had a clean negotiation phase with him. With Barrie we've already signed him to a bridge deal just fine and now both parties will want to go long term since Sakic wants to and obviously Barrie would. It'll just be a matter of coming to an agreement on a number.



2. If we dont sign either of Boedker or Matthias the Avs will just find someone else in free agency. That's not really a negative at all and actually could be a positive in Boedkers case as better options then him exist.


3. I dont think a bridge deal is a bad thing. Sure it'd be nice to lock Mackinnon up but he hasn't exactly done anything yet to prove he's worth that kind of commitment. A bridge is fine if a long term deal cant be solved. Gives Mack motivation to actually start playing the way he should be.
 

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By the end of the season, Martinsen was playing at a much higher level than McLeod. Kid looked pretty good in several games. I'd rather Cody be the spare, but we all know that's not going to happen.

I agree.

He actually showed off some surprising skills a few times the second half of the year. I'd prefer him to a guy like McCleod but McCleods spot in the lineup is safe.


Marty should be the 13th forward though, I have nothing wrong with him in that spot.
 

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So if Sakic says they are not trading Barrie, and we were actually going after Trouba, what would we use? Obviously Duchene's name was mentioned, but that would be ugly IMO.

Girgorenko - MacK - ????
Landeskog - Soderberg - ????
?????? - Rantanen - Comeau
McLeod - Mitchell/Compher/Skille

Barrie - EJ
Zadorov - Trouba
Bigras - FB
Siemens/Gelinas/Holden

Can we really keep Barrie and go after someone like Trouba? Or even afford to pay another UFA?
 

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So if Sakic says they are not trading Barrie, and we were actually going after Trouba, what would we use? Obviously Duchene's name was mentioned, but that would be ugly IMO.

Like someone mentioned earlier, if Barrie stays Duchene stays. The "plan" was to trade Barrie for a forward/draft pick and Duchene for D help.
 

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So if Sakic says they are not trading Barrie, and we were actually going after Trouba, what would we use? Obviously Duchene's name was mentioned, but that would be ugly IMO.

Girgorenko - MacK - ????
Landeskog - Soderberg - ????
?????? - Rantanen - Comeau
McLeod - Mitchell/Compher/Skille

Barrie - EJ
Zadorov - Trouba
Bigras - FB
Siemens/Gelinas/Holden

Can we really keep Barrie and go after someone like Trouba? Or even afford to pay another UFA?

Or maybe they are using a combination of assets to get their guy
the 10th, one of Bigras, Zads, Rants
Maybe its the 10th and Varly
idk?
But it sounds like they want to add another D in addition to retaining Barrie
 

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Marty should be the 13th forward though, I have nothing wrong with him in that spot.

Depends on the rest of the roster. We have 3 holes at forward at the NHL level (assuming no one is traded out, Rantanen is up and MacK and Grigo are signed)- I could see us bringing in 3 better forwards- say Radulov, Matthias and Skille.
 

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Besides the history issues with ROR's contract... another big difference is Barrie has 3 RFA years remaining. That puts a lot of power in the Avs' hands. Barrie and Newport will have to negotiate if they want paid over those 3 seasons. Otherwise, the Avs can pretty much have Barrie for ~5m per season for 3 years if they push it. 3 years is an eternity in hockey and lots of things can change.

I like that they qualified Marty, Siemens, and Gorms... I only expect Marty to really be an Av though. At a 13th forward, the Avs could do worse... I just don't want him in the top 9, ever.
 

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When I see Siemens and Gormley in camp with my own eyes then I'll believe the Avs haven't given up on them. But good to know they will qualify Siemens since that was in question a bit. I can see him fit in on D in SA and hope he stays. Not really sure how Gormley fits on either team, really. I guess we'll see.

Barrie filing for arbitration doesn't mean going through with arbitration. I think it's nessesary to give them a deadline. I'd be shocked if he doesn't file, tbh.

I do prefer long term for Mack but I guess Sakic has to say that they could do a bridge deal. Some teams insist on it, it at least sounds like he's not insisting.

Too bad about Matthias, I liked him but maybe they can circle back.

Good point chambers didn't even ask about Radulov. Sigh.
 

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First of all - about me, I'm a one team kids guy.
Guys like Kirby Puckett, Todd Helton, John Elway, those are my type of guys. I'm not huge on free agency though I've enjoyed talking with guys like Iggy, Hejda (others with similar age kids).

If I ran the Avs- first they'd probably have major issues due to me sticking to my draftees.
But second- I'd keep dutchy and Barrie.

With

Lands-Mack-Dutch
Griggs-soda-rants
Comeau- compher-Iggy
McLeod-Mitch-skills/Mathias

FB-EJ
Zads-Barrie
Bigs-Holden

Varly
Picks

Will be border line playoff but hey I'm okay. Mostly young with potential for better things in future

#10, coming up for next year

Now don't get me wrong I get free agency even if I'm not a fan of it. If we can land Rads with current roster :yo:

As a coach call me silly that I want to win a state title due to the players I developed vs getting 3 all-state transfers.
 

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I agree.

He actually showed off some surprising skills a few times the second half of the year. I'd prefer him to a guy like McCleod but McCleods spot in the lineup is safe.


Marty should be the 13th forward though, I have nothing wrong with him in that spot.

Martinsen stinks, guys. I hope they can find several better players than him to man the depth forward spots.

No surprise whatsoever on the Boedker thing. He was a rental from the beginning.
 

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So if Sakic says they are not trading Barrie, and we were actually going after Trouba, what would we use? Obviously Duchene's name was mentioned, but that would be ugly IMO.

Girgorenko - MacK - ????
Landeskog - Soderberg - ????
?????? - Rantanen - Comeau
McLeod - Mitchell/Compher/Skille

Barrie - EJ
Zadorov - Trouba
Bigras - FB
Siemens/Gelinas/Holden

Can we really keep Barrie and go after someone like Trouba? Or even afford to pay another UFA?
This is what I'm unsure about, and seriously doubt. And unless Barrie feels comfortable playing the left side (I know he did in junior, but that was awhile ago) I don't like D playing their offsides. Having said that, it gives us an extremely legitimate defense but leaves us thin up front and no money to pay a guy like Rads most likely. If Duchene is traded in a Trouba deal I'd want Little coming back and add to Duchene. In this scenario I'd also like to see Varly traded for futures, and Holden shipped out maybe with Duchene to give us room to sign Radulov. Iggy might also have to go. Leaves us with something like this:

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Grigorenko - Little - Radulov
UFA - Soderberg - Comeau
Martinsen - Mitchell - Iggy
McLeod

Bigras - Johnson
Beauch - Barrie
Zadorov - Trouba
Gelinas

Picks
Berra

Leaves us in a precarious position in goal. Lots of shuffling so it's pretty unrealistic
 

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The biggest issue I have with Marty is that he loses his physical edge if he plays in too many games in a row. If he can maintain that for 55-60 games out of 70... I'm okay with him on the 4th line. Not thrilled, but okay.
 

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Duchene +

Lol, I got that part, but + what?

But to answer the money question, if we can LTIR Stuart, with the cap and other small dealings we should be able to afford 1 big contract, wether that's Radulov, Trouba, whoever. After that though, for every big contract we bring in another has to go. If we trade Duchene and Varly, we should be able to afford Radulov and Trouba and even another big contract.
 

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Lol, I got that part, but + what?

But to answer the money question, if we can LTIR Stuart, with the cap and other small dealings we should be able to afford 1 big contract, wether that's Radulov, Trouba, whoever. After that though, for every big contract we bring in another has to go. If we trade Duchene and Varly, we should be able to afford Radulov and Trouba and even another big contract.

That's the tough part. #10? Maybe with Winnipeg adding a small +. And hopefully re-coup a 1st rounder in a Varly trade.
 

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Lol, I got that part, but + what?

But to answer the money question, if we can LTIR Stuart, with the cap and other small dealings we should be able to afford 1 big contract, wether that's Radulov, Trouba, whoever. After that though, for every big contract we bring in another has to go. If we trade Duchene and Varly, we should be able to afford Radulov and Trouba and even another big contract.

Yeah we can basically do nothing besides adding a UFA RW, and signing Barrie and MacK.

If MacK ends up with a bridge deal we might be able to upgrade the bottom pairing.

This is do nothing, except Compher makes the team, and signing a UFA RW. You hit 73M with 8D and 13 forwards.

You might have to run with 7D to get under the cap. This is obviously with Stuart on LTIR. If they can't pull that off then we are not adding a damn thing except Compher and Rantanen.

That's also in the hope that the players use the 5% and we get to 73M as has been speculated.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Rightwing: A. Radulov ($6,000,000) - M. Duchene ($6,000,000) - J. Compher ($925,000) - J. Iginla ($5,333,333) - J. Skille ($850,000)
Centre: N. MacKinnon ($6,000,000) - C. Soderberg ($4,750,000) - M. Rantanen ($894,167) - J. Mitchell ($1,800,000)
Leftwing: M. Grigorenko ($1,000,000) - G. Landeskog ($5,571,429) - B. Comeau ($2,400,000) - C. McLeod ($1,333,333)

DEFENSE (8)
Right: E. Johnson ($6,000,000) - F. Beauchemin ($4,500,000) - N. Holden ($1,650,000) - E. Gelinas ($1,575,000)
Left: T. Barrie ($6,500,000) - N. Zadorov ($894,167) - C. Bigras ($843,333) - D. Siemens ($900,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
S. Varlamov ($5,900,000) - C. Pickard ($1,000,000)

AHL BURIED
R. Berra ($500,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
NHL Salary Cap: $71,400,000
Cap Hit: $73,119,762
Cap Space: $-1,719,762

Edit : I guess this is proof though that you can have 6 forwards making 5M or more, but unfortunately our 6th is more of a 4th liner/power play specialist. lol
 
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Really disappointed about Matthias. I was hoping he would come back. He was one of the few that was really good at puck possession and forecheck. Really good at PK as well. I think we'll miss him at lot.
 

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I think Boedker ends up as either an Avalanche or a Flame.

Serious question... Which do you choose

Boedker at 5M/yr for 6 years

Eriksson at 6M/yr for 5 years

Ladd at 6M/yr for 5 years

Backes at 6M/yr for 5 years

Lucic at 6M/yr for 5 years

Assuming we miss out on Radulov, and they look into the UFA market.
 

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I'd take Boedker in that group. A number of those contracts will be bad starting in the 3rd or 4th year. Boedker should be able to maintain a high level of play for ~5+ more seasons.

Now if you could get Ladd on a 3 year deal...
 
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